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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

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Re: tpe [smittynyc] by tpe
Oct 13, 2006 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: smittynyc (Oct 13, 2006 9:12 am)

But fatalities and accident rates aren't going down, either. Shouldn't those rates dip appreciably as newer and safer cars, including many with bullet-proof ESC, hit the roads?
 
I was referring to the type of accident that is categorized as property damage only. I agree that safer cars and greater use of seatbelts should lower fatality rates. But you would think that cell phone use should definitely drive up the number of fender benders. There is no empirical data to support this. However I do agree with you that common sense would indicate that cell phone use must divert some attention from driving, which should increase risk. I'm speculating here but is it possible that many people realize this when using their cell phones and try to compensate by paying greater attention than normal? Afterall, how many of us can honestly say that we always focus 100% on the task of driving?
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Re: tpe [smittynyc] by tpe
Oct 13, 2006 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: smittynyc (Oct 13, 2006 9:12 am)

BTW, I think that car navigation systems will turn out to be as distractive as, if not more than, cell phones.
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Good Law by wideglide
Oct 14, 2006 (9:36 am)
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A little while back I read a news story that quoted a study that said cell phone users cause as many accidents as drunk drivers. If that's true, then the people getting a ticket and small fine for it should consider themselves lucky, as we throw drunk drivers in jail, and fines are in the thousands. Yes, I do believe they cause accidents. As for the other distractions (eating, makeup, etc.), there is a law police can enforce, it's called "Failure To Pay Time And Attention". They probably don't enforce it as much as they should, though.
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Re: tpe [tpe] by wideglide
Oct 14, 2006 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Oct 13, 2006 3:55 pm)

BTW, I think that car navigation systems will turn out to be as distractive as, if not more than, cell phones.
 
Ditto with the I-Drive, Command Center, etc.
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Re: tpe [smittynyc] by grbeck
Oct 15, 2006 (4:58 am)
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Replying to: smittynyc (Oct 13, 2006 9:12 am)

smittynyc: But fatalities and accident rates aren't going down, either. Shouldn't those rates dip appreciably as newer and safer cars, including many with bullet-proof ESC, hit the roads?
 
According to a recent news article, occupant fatalities in vehicle accidents were down again for 2005. There were, however more deaths among pedestrians and motorcyclists. Pedestrian and motorcyclists deaths are counted as traffic fatalities, and are included in the final, total figure for the year.
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Re: tpe [grbeck] by gagrice
Oct 15, 2006 (5:13 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Oct 15, 2006 4:58 am)

Pedestrian and motorcyclists deaths are counted as traffic fatalities, and are included in the final, total figure for the year.
 
Can we assume that some of those deaths were due to in-attention by the driver of a car, engrossed in a cell phone call? Or did the pedestrian walk in front of a car they did not see or hear because they were talking on a cell phone or listening to an iPod?
 
It seems we have to many gadgets to take our mind off our driving. Maybe we need to get tougher on those that cause accidents for any reason. Losing your license for causing an accident would be a good start.
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What is wrong with some of you? by orangelebaron
Oct 15, 2006 (7:27 am)
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Why do you need studies and data to tell you that people who drive while talking is dangerous???
 
You people DO go outside sometimes, don't you?
 
EVERY DAY I see people driving badly because they won't get off the phone. IT DOES NOT MATTER if it's hands free or not. The only difference is hands-free lets you turn the wheel more easily.
 
I almost got run over by a woman on the phone recently while crossing an intersection. And that's just ONE example of what I see and deal with everyday.
 
We have laws but they are not enforced and BIG DEAL... it's a $100 fine with no points.
 
Those of you who think you are not distracted while talking... you are fooling yourself... you ARE distracted. And stop comparing eating to talking... you don't need to think while you eat.
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Re: What is wrong with some of you? [orangelebaron] by nippononly
Oct 15, 2006 (10:20 pm)
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Replying to: orangelebaron (Oct 15, 2006 7:27 am)

That's at least partly your intuition talking there, because you have no experience with those drivers under other conditions. Maybe their driving just sucks. Maybe that woman was in a hurry and routinely disregards pedestrians when she is in a hurry. THAT'S what I originally meant by having very spotty data at best on the impact of cell phones on accidents and human casualties.
 
It's human nature to blame the distraction. I could tell you (true story here) that I made an emergency dive into the break-down lane about 10 days back because a guy eating french fries in the lane next to me dropped some and dived to try and catch them before they hit his precious upholstery, resulting in his car swinging wildly and immediately into my lane. I had just glanced over to check my mirror and could see into his car. If I hadn't been looking that way and seen him begin to swing the wheel, I may not have been able to avoid colliding with him.
 
Have they passed a shiny new law forbidding the consumption of fast food in the car? Of course not, McDonalds' lobbyist would eat them for lunch if they so much as hinted that they were going to try that...
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Re: What is wrong with some of you? [orangelebaron] by tpe
Oct 16, 2006 (3:55 am)
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Replying to: orangelebaron (Oct 15, 2006 7:27 am)

Those of you who think you are not distracted while talking... you are fooling yourself... you ARE distracted
 
When you have passengers in the car do you talk to them? Maybe you don't but that would put you in a very, very small minority. I'm not sure why a hands free phone would be any more distracting then talking to a passenger. Potentially less distracting because you wouldn't feel the need to occasionally look at the person you were conversing with.
 
I'm not saying that using a cell phone while driving doesn't add to the danger on our roadways. It probably does. I'm stating that our views regarding this distraction should be consistent with other distractions and in line with the degree of danger they cause. When assessing this degree of danger it makes more sense to go by actual data then our gut feelings.
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Re: What is wrong with some of you? [nippononly] by gagrice
Oct 16, 2006 (5:39 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 15, 2006 10:20 pm)

A couple points. I think that Verizon and Cingular are bigger than McDonald's, negating the lobby aspect. I think a lot of states have already passed laws concerning use of cell phones while driving. It will be easy to prosecute the use as it is not a "he said, she said" situation. The Cell records are available to the courts giving precise time of calls.
 
I do agree that eating food is also a distraction. I have not allowed anyone to eat or drink anything except water in any vehicle of mine since high school days. I don't want ketchup on my seats. It boggles the mind watching people choke down a burger while driving. It would be tougher to prove without using video evidence.
 
Having the law on the books will make it easier to prosecute or settle lawsuits. If you have an accident while talking on a cell phone it will be evidence of inattention.

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