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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

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Re: Anyone see... [eltonron] by gagrice
Oct 17, 2006 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: eltonron (Oct 17, 2006 9:08 am)

With Internet access through Cell providers, I am waiting to see someone driving down the road with their Dell laptop strapped to the steering wheel.
 
Just think we could be driving around keeping up with the threads here at Edmunds.
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Re: Anyone see... [gagrice] by snakeweasel
Oct 17, 2006 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 17, 2006 9:15 am)

Just think we could be driving around keeping up with the threads here at Edmunds.
 
Funny thing is I used to post here using a cell phone. Now thats geekdom.
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The by imidazol97
Oct 17, 2006 (10:26 am)
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Mythbusters duo were to "speak" at OSU same day Science Olympiad had state contests last year. I was amazed how many adults wanted to skip the events to go to the lecture by those folks. How do they build up such a following?
 
I am relieved they agreed that cellphoneusagewhiledriving is a problem because of the distraction needed.
 
I have been able to enter text message on cell phone whiledriving so kid would know where I would pick him up. Four years ago I would have swore never on your life would I use a cellphone while driving>
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [tpe] by saabgirl
Oct 17, 2006 (3:04 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Oct 17, 2006 5:51 am)

Airbags may save lives but they don't prevent accidents. The accident rate per 100 million vehicle mile travelled has continued to decrease during the cell phone age. Would the rate have gone down further? Maybe.
 
Some of us can remember a pre-cell phone period of automotive history in which cars didn't come equipped with belts, airbags, crumple zones nor other safety devices intended to protect us. Highways have also been designed to be less retributive to errant motorists.
 
In short, it's easier to make vehicles and highways safer than it is to educate drivers. On the other hand, drivers are ingenious in finding edgy new ways to test safety technology, including the absurdist notion that drivers can multitask because built in safety devices are so effective.
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Make cell phone usage an add-on by gagrice
Oct 17, 2006 (8:22 pm)
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Maybe the DMV needs a simulator for testing drivers. Have them answer questions on a cell phone call while driving the simulator. If they pass the multitasking test they get a sticker for their car similar to the HOV sticker. It would say it is legal for them to be talking on the phone while driving. talking with No sticker you get a big fat fine.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [saabgirl] by tpe
Oct 18, 2006 (5:13 am)
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Replying to: saabgirl (Oct 17, 2006 3:04 pm)

In short, it's easier to make vehicles and highways safer than it is to educate drivers.
 
What's your point? The objection to cell phones and driving seems to be the additional danger they bring to the roadways. If this can be overcome with technology as opposed to anti-cell phone laws what does it matter? The fact is that these safety features you mention primarily make accidents more survivable but do little to prevent them. So why isn't the accident, not fatality, rate going up? Look at page 17 of this report and see if you can find a trend that supports cell phones adding danger? What's interesting is that of the 4 categories of vehicles (passenger, light truck, large truck, and motorcycles) the only category not showing a decline in accident rates is motorcycles. Probably the only group not using cell phones.
 
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSFAnn/TSF2004.pdf
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [tpe] by gagrice
Oct 18, 2006 (5:45 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Oct 18, 2006 5:13 am)

I don't think accidents are the only issue with cell phone usage. It is Inattentiveness that slows traffic flow. If the green arrow is short and the yahoo in front is too busy talking on the phone to respond quickly, the people behind are stuck. Same at 4 way stops. That would be my biggest gripe. Cell phone use is rude and could be another cause for road rage. People have enough stress, why add someone talking on a cell call holding up traffic? I don't think using hands free will help in those situations.
 
If it can be proven the average person's reaction time is impaired when talking on a cell phone the punishment should be the same as for drunk driving.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [gagrice] by snakeweasel
Oct 18, 2006 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 18, 2006 5:45 am)

It is Inattentiveness that slows traffic flow. If the green arrow is short and the yahoo in front is too busy talking on the phone to respond quickly, the people behind are stuck. Same at 4 way stops. That would be my biggest gripe. Cell phone use is rude and could be another cause for road rage.
 
But the same can be said of many other activities that people do at stop lights. People reading maps, reading directions, changing radio stations or CD's, talking to a passenger, looking for something in the back seat, yelling at kids..... the list goes on and on.
 
I will admit that I have been guilty of this myself. I stop for a light then try to do something and the light turns green sooner than expected. We all have done this and if you have driven enough and are honest enough you would admit that you have too.
 
My point is its not the cell phone its the inconsiderate lugnut behind the wheel.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [gagrice] by tpe
Oct 18, 2006 (6:50 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 18, 2006 5:45 am)

There are driving situations and environments that don't require our full attention. I know that some will disagree and say that 100% focus is always necessary. Maybe I'm gifted in this regard because I can assure you that when I'm driving down a highway with no cross traffic, minimal congestion and an artificially low speed limit it definitely does not require 100% of my attention. IMO, there is nothing wrong with using a cell phone in these situations. Unfortunately that requires judgement, which is a foreign concept to our legislators.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [tpe] by snakeweasel
Oct 18, 2006 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Oct 18, 2006 6:50 am)

Well spoken, well said.

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