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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

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Re: Anyone see... [kirstie_h] by xrunner2
Oct 17, 2006 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Oct 17, 2006 7:10 am)

It seems like cell phone usage is just the target-du-jour. I wonder if significantly fewer people are now dying in car accidents since most states passed seat belt laws... the hot issue some 5 years ago.
 
Would agree that seat belt laws have helped. But, consider a whole range of things that have improved over last 5-10 years: vehicle structures to help protect occupants, emt response times, hospital procedures and doctors, vehicle dynamics (tires/susp/steering), numerous air bags (front, side, etc), highway design/lighting/signage/traffic controls/etc, attention focussed on drunk driving by MADD and others and so on.
 
In one way, cell phone usage has probably also helped cut down on accident deaths because most motorists probably have cell phones and they can call 911 when they observe or encounter an accident. The emts can get to the accident quicker than they would have back in pre-cell phone days. This can save lives. Think about how it was 20+ years ago. If you saw an accident happen, had to find a nearby house, store, gas station, phone booth to call emt/911.
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Re: gagrice [gagrice] by xrunner2
Oct 17, 2006 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 16, 2006 7:16 am)

I'm still not convinced that cell phones do not cause physical problems. Too many technician friends that worked on microwave and other radio equipment died at an early age. Many by cancer thought to be caused by too much radiation.
 
I have heard about this and too wonder about this matter. Don't think there has been anything in the media about this for a couple of years. Cell phone is good when away from home or office for many situations. But, I try to get the vast majority of my calls made the old-fashioned way through hard-wire land lines connected to an end office. Land lines are most always available in a power outage as long as you use old fashioned subsets that don't require connection to AC. Cell phones are vulnerable to limited power reserve at cell tower sites.
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Re: Anyone see... [kirstie_h] by eltonron
Oct 17, 2006 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Oct 16, 2006 4:05 pm)

I'll also stand up and proudly proclaim my geekdom status by saying that I saw that particular episode of Mythbusters as well (by the way kirstie_h, there ARE 12-step programs for our kind). While their scientific methods may be called into question, the results from the Mythbusters experiment were pretty startling, nevertheless. The mental focus required by drivers to answer even the simplest of questions obviously detracted from their ability to safely operate a motor vehicle.
 
Talking on a cell phone is bad enough. But what about those yahoos you pass who are apparently thumb-typing text messages on their Treos while driving?!? Madness!
 
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Re: Anyone see... [eltonron] by gagrice
Oct 17, 2006 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: eltonron (Oct 17, 2006 8:08 am)

With Internet access through Cell providers, I am waiting to see someone driving down the road with their Dell laptop strapped to the steering wheel.
 
Just think we could be driving around keeping up with the threads here at Edmunds.
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Re: Anyone see... [gagrice] by snakeweasel
Oct 17, 2006 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 17, 2006 8:15 am)

Just think we could be driving around keeping up with the threads here at Edmunds.
 
Funny thing is I used to post here using a cell phone. Now thats geekdom.
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The by imidazol97
Oct 17, 2006 (9:26 am)
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Mythbusters duo were to "speak" at OSU same day Science Olympiad had state contests last year. I was amazed how many adults wanted to skip the events to go to the lecture by those folks. How do they build up such a following?
 
I am relieved they agreed that cellphoneusagewhiledriving is a problem because of the distraction needed.
 
I have been able to enter text message on cell phone whiledriving so kid would know where I would pick him up. Four years ago I would have swore never on your life would I use a cellphone while driving>
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [tpe] by saabgirl
Oct 17, 2006 (2:04 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Oct 17, 2006 4:51 am)

Airbags may save lives but they don't prevent accidents. The accident rate per 100 million vehicle mile travelled has continued to decrease during the cell phone age. Would the rate have gone down further? Maybe.
 
Some of us can remember a pre-cell phone period of automotive history in which cars didn't come equipped with belts, airbags, crumple zones nor other safety devices intended to protect us. Highways have also been designed to be less retributive to errant motorists.
 
In short, it's easier to make vehicles and highways safer than it is to educate drivers. On the other hand, drivers are ingenious in finding edgy new ways to test safety technology, including the absurdist notion that drivers can multitask because built in safety devices are so effective.
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Make cell phone usage an add-on by gagrice
Oct 17, 2006 (7:22 pm)
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Maybe the DMV needs a simulator for testing drivers. Have them answer questions on a cell phone call while driving the simulator. If they pass the multitasking test they get a sticker for their car similar to the HOV sticker. It would say it is legal for them to be talking on the phone while driving. talking with No sticker you get a big fat fine.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [saabgirl] by tpe
Oct 18, 2006 (4:13 am)
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Replying to: saabgirl (Oct 17, 2006 2:04 pm)

In short, it's easier to make vehicles and highways safer than it is to educate drivers.
 
What's your point? The objection to cell phones and driving seems to be the additional danger they bring to the roadways. If this can be overcome with technology as opposed to anti-cell phone laws what does it matter? The fact is that these safety features you mention primarily make accidents more survivable but do little to prevent them. So why isn't the accident, not fatality, rate going up? Look at page 17 of this report and see if you can find a trend that supports cell phones adding danger? What's interesting is that of the 4 categories of vehicles (passenger, light truck, large truck, and motorcycles) the only category not showing a decline in accident rates is motorcycles. Probably the only group not using cell phones.
 
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSFAnn/TSF2004.pdf
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [tpe] by gagrice
Oct 18, 2006 (4:45 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Oct 18, 2006 4:13 am)

I don't think accidents are the only issue with cell phone usage. It is Inattentiveness that slows traffic flow. If the green arrow is short and the yahoo in front is too busy talking on the phone to respond quickly, the people behind are stuck. Same at 4 way stops. That would be my biggest gripe. Cell phone use is rude and could be another cause for road rage. People have enough stress, why add someone talking on a cell call holding up traffic? I don't think using hands free will help in those situations.
 
If it can be proven the average person's reaction time is impaired when talking on a cell phone the punishment should be the same as for drunk driving.

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