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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

3688 messages,  Last post on Oct 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM

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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [k [lilengineerboy] by kdshapiro
Mar 03, 2009 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Mar 01, 2009 11:49 am)

So given your analysis, can you then tell me the percentage of car crashes or fatalities reporting by NHTSA where the root cause is cell phone usage?
 
I thought so.
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out of Sync? by steve_ HOST
Mar 03, 2009 (7:34 pm)
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Sneakers posted an interesting link in his Next Generation blog.
 
Study: Drivers Using Cell Phones Experience 'Inattention Blindness. The study is from '03 and used simulators, so I'm not sure how it stacks up against the more recent NHTSA study.
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Re: out of Sync? [steve_] by kdshapiro
Mar 03, 2009 (7:42 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Mar 03, 2009 7:34 pm)

Maybe the study should be done using real world conditions, in real world traffic, and don't worry about the real world crashes. :sick
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Re: out of Sync? [kdshapiro] by steve_ HOST
Mar 03, 2009 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Mar 03, 2009 7:42 pm)

I guess I always picture a setup like this one. A driver's ed cubicle farm.
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Re: out of Sync? [steve_] by xrunner2
Mar 04, 2009 (4:59 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Mar 03, 2009 7:34 pm)

Re Study - Seems like we covered the study findings on this board at various times, but fine to list it again.
 
Many years ago, when I used cell phone while driving, I too experienced the effects mentioned in the study. I can remember times when after I completed say a ten minute intense conversation, I couldn't recall much of anything of where I had been in last 10 minutes. An intense conversation is much greater of a distraction over a long distance vs a brief 30 second call to someone saying you will be late for an appointment. Of course best practice is to not use phone at all while driving. Manage your life more efficiently.
 
Other issue brought up in study is need for driver to devote "Full" attention to the driving task. Drivers using cell phones selfishly think that their inattention while driving only slightly impairs their reaction time and that is OK because they want the cell convenience and are fully willing to impair their driving. Kind of like spoiled kids.
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Re: out of Sync? [xrunner2] by kdshapiro
Mar 04, 2009 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Mar 04, 2009 4:59 am)

Drivers using cell phones selfishly think that their inattention while driving only slightly impairs their reaction time and that is OK because they want the cell convenience and are fully willing to impair their driving. Kind of like spoiled kids.
 
Can you prove this statement? Where is the connection between driver inattention and fatalities and crashes? Does it really matter that drivers who pay full attention have to make avoidance maneuvers, with increasing frequency, to those who yak and text as long as nobody was hurt of any sheetmetal dented? In other words, no harm, no foul?
 
Wait which side am I on? :sick
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Re: out of Sync? [steve_] by lilengineerboy
Mar 05, 2009 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Mar 03, 2009 7:56 pm)

We are talking about driving simulators, not toys.
Ford VIRTTEX:
 

 
Autoblog on VIRTTEX
 
VIRTTEX
 
Toyota's

 
Toyota's Simulator on Autoblog
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Re: out of Sync? [lilengineerboy] by steve_ HOST
Mar 05, 2009 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Mar 05, 2009 5:19 pm)

Now those are cool. Any idea how much the Ford one costs? Probably a bit out of reach for driving schools.
 
And from your Vittrex link:
 
"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that driver distraction and inattention contribute up to 30 percent of crashes each year."
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Re: out of Sync? [steve_] by lilengineerboy
Mar 05, 2009 (8:12 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Mar 05, 2009 5:29 pm)

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that driver distraction and inattention contribute up to 30 percent of crashes each year."
 
Which includes: eating pizza, tuning the radio, smacking children, fighting with spouse, picking nose, plucking ebrows, watching adult videos on DVD players, drinking coffee, talking on the phone, reading a map, programming an aftermarket nav system, tying shoes...

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