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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

3688 messages,  Last post on Oct 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM

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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [vinnyny] by kdshapiro
Feb 16, 2009 (8:38 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Feb 16, 2009 8:07 am)

You are absolutely correct. If I had my way I would ban cell phone usage by drivers except for emergency communications. I have dodged more cell phone drivers over the last year or so than latte drinking, makeup applying, newspaper reading, lunch eating drivers.
 
Common sense in conjunction with innumerable studies shows the true impact of cell phone usage, even if every cell phone driver doesn't end up in the morgue, there is a definite lack of attention to driving, which is very noticeable.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [k by lilengineerboy
Feb 17, 2009 (4:36 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 16, 2009 8:38 pm)

I have dodged more cell phone drivers over the last year or so than latte drinking, makeup applying, newspaper reading, lunch eating drivers.
 
Which is all stuff they may or may not be doing if not on the phone.
 
Common sense in conjunction with innumerable studies shows the true impact of cell phone usage, even if every cell phone driver doesn't end up in the morgue, there is a definite lack of attention to driving, which is very noticeable.
 
Crash deaths are down
 
Yup, its just terrible out there...crash rates going down year after year, fatality rates going down year after year, terrible. Apparently, the impact of cell phone use is dropping off the table, especially after a 250% increase in subscriptions over the last few years.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [boaz47] by nippononly
Feb 17, 2009 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Feb 16, 2009 9:54 am)

Good point. And they had a driving while distracted law that covered all of the things you mentioned
 
That was half my point way back when I started this discussion: we don't need one more law to cover something already covered by law - distracted and erratic driving. Even vinny there had four or five other examples in his anecdotal evidence of things he had seen being done by drivers who were driving poorly.
 
How about enforcing the laws already on the books? But we know that will never happen, just as it is not happening now with the new cell phone laws in California. Instead, the police and highway patrol focus on two things - speeders and red light runners (with a healthy smattering of California Stoppers for good measure) - for all the tickets they write. Why? because they are MARVELOUS revenue generators, and there are so many violators just in those two categories that 100% of their time could be taken stopping people for those two offenses, if they so chose.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [k [lilengineerboy] by kdshapiro
Feb 17, 2009 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 17, 2009 4:36 am)

Which leads back to the same old issue, which is how many crashes and fatalities have their root cause in cell phone usage?
 
BTW. It is my educated guess, and the conclusion of other scientific minds that latte drinkers do not pose the same road as cell phone users. Case closed.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [nippononly] by kdshapiro
Feb 17, 2009 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 17, 2009 2:20 pm)

Why?
 
Because police patrols are not needed for enforcement. Just ask Arizona residents who have to pass through cameras every 10 feet.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [k by lilengineerboy
Feb 17, 2009 (4:56 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 17, 2009 2:25 pm)


BTW. It is my educated guess, and the conclusion of other scientific minds that latte drinkers do not pose the same road as cell phone users. Case closed.

 
So you and the guy in Utah agree, I guess 2 is enough to make a quorum. We can all go home now. RIGHT
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [kdshapiro] by vinnyny
Feb 18, 2009 (7:17 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 17, 2009 2:27 pm)

Arizona has gotten totally out of hand. I drove through Chandler two weeks ago and if my brother didn't live there, I'd probably never go back. The cameras make it so unpleasant to drive through town that I'll stay on I-10 and bypass all their businesses next time.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [k [lilengineerboy] by kdshapiro
Mar 01, 2009 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 17, 2009 4:56 pm)

When the facts are straight up and common sense should prevail, let's make up our own "factoids".
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [k by lilengineerboy
Mar 01, 2009 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Mar 01, 2009 8:50 am)

When the facts are straight up and common sense should prevail, let's make up our own "factoids".
 
So little things like a 10-fold increase in cell phone usage and highway fatalities at their lowest rates in recorded history should probably be part of that.
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Leave it to NY by oldfarmer50
Mar 01, 2009 (12:05 pm)
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Recently, a number of counties here in NY state have been passing laws against texting while driving. This came after a few bad accidents where the driver was so busy looking down to text that he/she drove off the road, into a crowd or into stopped traffic.
 
I was on the fence when the no cell phone laws were passed but this one I agree with. How the heck can you look down in your lap, use both thumbs to hit the buttons, and think about your text all while driving.
 
I know there are some people (young) who claim they can do all those things and still drive safely but I don't see how.
 
How about other states? Any of you folks have laws against texting? In typical NY overkill, one county in my area is sending out extra patrols this weekend to cite texters.

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