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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [vinnyny] by boaz47
Feb 16, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Feb 16, 2009 8:07 am)

"Sometimes good old anecdotal evidence is the best kind. As a Jets/Mets season ticket holder, I drive from SE VA to NY more than twice monthly--about 900 miles round trip. Virtually every time I see someone on the interstates doing something stupid, they are doing something other than just driving. "
 
Good point. And they had a driving while distracted law that covered all of the things you mentioned. But as far as personal observations? You see what interests you or bothers you the most. When you buy a new car that you don't realize other have what do you see more of than you ever did before/ You see that model car. When I used to drive up the 210 to the 5 to go north of LA I would see cars in the center lane going slower than the flow of traffic. I happen to be big on lane control and have always believed slower traffic should move right. It seemed to me 8 out of 10 of the middle lane drivers were of Asian decent, or Asian looking. Do I then assume Asians are worse drivers than others? Maybe there were just more asian looking drivers in that area.
 
The NHTSA study will give ammunition to hands free proponents to keep the technology in the car. Doesn't mean it will stop the efforts to get rid of it but this is a political battle where the economy and safety will both be concerned. People will have to weigh the risk and eventually vote their conviction.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [boaz47] by vinnyny
Feb 16, 2009 (6:57 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Feb 16, 2009 9:54 am)

I agree with the concept that our perceptions may be skewed. However, I think that ALL of the dopes doing anything other than driving when they should be driving should get tickets. Unfortunately, the cops are too busy looking for run of the mill speeders to worry about the truly dangerous drivers out there (which sometimes includes speeders). Text messagers are merely the most heinous offenders...
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [vinnyny] by kdshapiro
Feb 16, 2009 (8:38 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Feb 16, 2009 8:07 am)

You are absolutely correct. If I had my way I would ban cell phone usage by drivers except for emergency communications. I have dodged more cell phone drivers over the last year or so than latte drinking, makeup applying, newspaper reading, lunch eating drivers.
 
Common sense in conjunction with innumerable studies shows the true impact of cell phone usage, even if every cell phone driver doesn't end up in the morgue, there is a definite lack of attention to driving, which is very noticeable.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [k by lilengineerboy
Feb 17, 2009 (4:36 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 16, 2009 8:38 pm)

I have dodged more cell phone drivers over the last year or so than latte drinking, makeup applying, newspaper reading, lunch eating drivers.
 
Which is all stuff they may or may not be doing if not on the phone.
 
Common sense in conjunction with innumerable studies shows the true impact of cell phone usage, even if every cell phone driver doesn't end up in the morgue, there is a definite lack of attention to driving, which is very noticeable.
 
Crash deaths are down
 
Yup, its just terrible out there...crash rates going down year after year, fatality rates going down year after year, terrible. Apparently, the impact of cell phone use is dropping off the table, especially after a 250% increase in subscriptions over the last few years.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [boaz47] by nippononly
Feb 17, 2009 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Feb 16, 2009 9:54 am)

Good point. And they had a driving while distracted law that covered all of the things you mentioned
 
That was half my point way back when I started this discussion: we don't need one more law to cover something already covered by law - distracted and erratic driving. Even vinny there had four or five other examples in his anecdotal evidence of things he had seen being done by drivers who were driving poorly.
 
How about enforcing the laws already on the books? But we know that will never happen, just as it is not happening now with the new cell phone laws in California. Instead, the police and highway patrol focus on two things - speeders and red light runners (with a healthy smattering of California Stoppers for good measure) - for all the tickets they write. Why? because they are MARVELOUS revenue generators, and there are so many violators just in those two categories that 100% of their time could be taken stopping people for those two offenses, if they so chose.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [k [lilengineerboy] by kdshapiro
Feb 17, 2009 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 17, 2009 4:36 am)

Which leads back to the same old issue, which is how many crashes and fatalities have their root cause in cell phone usage?
 
BTW. It is my educated guess, and the conclusion of other scientific minds that latte drinkers do not pose the same road as cell phone users. Case closed.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [nippononly] by kdshapiro
Feb 17, 2009 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Feb 17, 2009 2:20 pm)

Why?
 
Because police patrols are not needed for enforcement. Just ask Arizona residents who have to pass through cameras every 10 feet.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [k by lilengineerboy
Feb 17, 2009 (4:56 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 17, 2009 2:25 pm)


BTW. It is my educated guess, and the conclusion of other scientific minds that latte drinkers do not pose the same road as cell phone users. Case closed.

 
So you and the guy in Utah agree, I guess 2 is enough to make a quorum. We can all go home now. RIGHT
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [kdshapiro] by vinnyny
Feb 18, 2009 (7:17 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 17, 2009 2:27 pm)

Arizona has gotten totally out of hand. I drove through Chandler two weeks ago and if my brother didn't live there, I'd probably never go back. The cameras make it so unpleasant to drive through town that I'll stay on I-10 and bypass all their businesses next time.
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Re: STATISTICS are for liars--except sometimes even liars tell the truth [k [lilengineerboy] by kdshapiro
Mar 01, 2009 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 17, 2009 4:56 pm)

When the facts are straight up and common sense should prevail, let's make up our own "factoids".

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