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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

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this was inevitable... by nippononly
Jan 12, 2009 (6:53 am)
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Safety Group Calls for Total Ban On Cellphone Use While Driving
 
A national safety group is advocating a total ban on cellphone use while driving, saying the practice is clearly dangerous and leads to fatalities.
 
States should ban drivers from using handheld and hands-free cell phones, and businesses should prohibit employees from using cell phones while driving on the job, the congressionally chartered National Safety Council says, taking those positions for the first time.
 
The group's president and chief executive, Janet Froetscher, likened talking on cellphones to drunken driving, saying cellphone use increases the risk of a crash fourfold.
 
"When our friends have been drinking, we take the car keys away. It's time to take the cell phone away," Ms. Froetscher said in interview.
 
No state currently bans all cell phone use while driving. Six states -- California, Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Utah and Washington -- and the District of Columbia ban the use of handheld cellphones behind the wheel, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. Also, 17 states and the district restrict or ban cellphone use by novice drivers.
 
.....What makes cellphone use distinct from other risky driving behaviors, Ms. Froetscher said, is the magnitude -- there are 270 million cellphone users in the U.S. and 80% of them talk on the phone while driving.

 
The line I homed in on, of course, was this one, being said out loud for the first time by advocates of the ban: The Governors Highway Safety Association agreed that cellphone use while driving is dangerous, but said it would be difficult to enforce a ban. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, which is funded by auto insurers, said banning all cellphone use "makes sense based on the research," but agreed that enforcement will be difficult.
 
They believe it will take years, but yes, those Bluetooths you all rushed out to buy will ALSO be illegal before the end of the next decade...
 
....and eating your fast food dinner while trying to control the kids and change the CD in the dash will still all be perfectly legal...
 
Common sense truly is dead.
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123170801180171839.html
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Re: this was inevitable... [nippononly] by xrunner2
Jan 12, 2009 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 6:53 am)

Good news that National Safety Council is making the ban proposal. Lets hope that more entities such as insurance companies join in.
 
The "hard to enforce" position of some is only excuse making. With education campaigns about the ban on tv, radio, internet, billboards, print media, etc., the public will be well informed about the ban and will find out that driving and talking on cell phone is the same as drunk driving. Driving public already has been well informed over the years about drunk driving through the media. They will similarly find out about the dangers and irresonsibility of cell phone driving.
 
Perhaps car insurance companies can start to get involved by putting in clauses in policies that diminish some coverage if a cell phone using driver causes a crash.
 
Would also hope that cell phone service providers jump in with their support. Just like beer company commercials stressing responsible use of their product in tv commercials, cell providers could have commercials to stress driver use of cell phones while safely and legally "parked."
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Re: this was inevitable... [xrunner2] by nippononly
Jan 12, 2009 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 12, 2009 7:32 am)

Actually, word is that mobile phone trade organizations are strongly opposed to any further ban on cell phone use. At least that's what the morning news said.
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Re: this was inevitable... [nippononly] by kdshapiro
Jan 12, 2009 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 6:53 am)

You beat me to it.
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Re: this was inevitable... [nippononly] by xrunner2
Jan 12, 2009 (5:34 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 8:03 am)

Duh!! What would you expect them to say? Cell phone providers face big revenue losses with a total ban. We need a US Congressional hearing in this. Cell phone service providers need to be put in same situation as beer and spirits providers. They need to start showing responsibility.
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Re: this was inevitable... [xrunner2] by fintail
Jan 12, 2009 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 12, 2009 5:34 pm)

Remember, it's the USA...you get the laws you pay for.
 
Distracted drivers of all types need to start showing some responsibility...that's the genuine issue...but few seem to have the fortitude to face this.
 
Not to mention congress is in one hell of a position to hold anyone accountable for anything...
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Re: this was inevitable... [fintail] by xrunner2
Jan 12, 2009 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 12, 2009 6:00 pm)

Distracted drivers are hugely from the cell phone usage variety. Once in a while, I might put a package of chocolate cookies from Costco on my center console. I can very easily pick a cookie without looking at the console and take a bite without distracting my attention from driving.
 
I have used cell phone while driving in the distant past and know that it is like drunk driving and not equivalent to eating a cookie.
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Re: this was inevitable... [xrunner2] by fintail
Jan 12, 2009 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 12, 2009 6:15 pm)

A lot of people will drop that cookie and veer around while trying to retrieve it, or misplace the box of cookies and veer around while they dig through all the garbage in their car, looking for it. It's best simply to not eat and drive. No food allowed in my cars
 
And then there are drinks, ICE, kids and other passengers, makeup/grooming, laptops...
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Re: this was inevitable... [fintail] by kdshapiro
Jan 13, 2009 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 12, 2009 6:58 pm)

Absolutely. I honestly don't care if there are separate laws on the books for all types of bad driving behaviors. A bad driver can cause a crash scratching their ears as easily as turning around to discipline their kids. But this same bad driver becomes a train wreck with a cell phone, while a good driver only becomes a bad driver.
 
I agree Congressional hearings are in order. Maybe the new administration will take this up.
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Better yet by boaz47
Jan 13, 2009 (12:13 pm)
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Show us the increased accident statistics and then put it to a vote. If cell phones cause more accidents decreased cell phones "have' to show a decrease in accidents.
 
I question if our congress will attack the cell phone industry in this economy? Maybe if they do pass a law they can also offer a several billion dollar bail out for loss caused by government intervention like they are doing for the auto industry.
 
But I would still like to see the people get a vote in the issue. Once on the ballot they have to show the cost to enforce and the cost in lost taxes because of what the industry pays. It would also be nice if they showed how many accidents have happened or how many will be reduced by such a law.

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