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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

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If you think cell phone laws are useless... by kdshapiro
Dec 30, 2008 (2:14 pm)
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You'll love these. Even if you believe cell phone laws serve a useful purpose, these are still great examples of really useless laws.
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Hang Up and Drive by steve_ HOST
Jan 02, 2009 (11:05 pm)
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Or should I say the foot's in the door?
 
"A statewide poll by Pemco Insurance in June, just before the new law took effect, showed 60 percent of Washington drivers wanted to make a handheld cellphone ban a primary offense.
 
But Douglass knows state lawmakers took seven years to move the current law from initial proposal to passage. And it took 16 years for the state's seat-belt law, implemented as a secondary offense in 1986, to become a primary offense in 2002."
 
After 6 months, drivers ignoring cellphone ban (Seattle Times)
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Re: Hang Up and Drive [steve_] by nippononly
Jan 04, 2009 (8:38 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 02, 2009 11:05 pm)

Yup, pretty much matches what I see all around me here - the law is mostly being routinely ignored now. And look at Washington - their ticket is $124 and the law is still being ignored! Ours is only like $75 including court fees.
 
Look at their numbers: Statewide, troopers handed out 746 tickets for illegal driving-and-talking through November. They've socked it to teenagers and septuagenarians; but mostly men and drivers in their 20s and 30s have paid the price. Troopers also issued 1,345 written and verbal warnings.
 
Seattle police have written another 247 tickets, according to the Seattle Municipal Court.
 
And the number of driving-and-phoning citations is tiny compared to the 127,185 speeding tickets state troopers wrote between July and December.

 
The numbers say it all about where enforcement is being targeted, and it ISN'T cell phone users.
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it's going to get worse before it gets better by steve_ HOST
Jan 05, 2009 (10:14 am)
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Can you hear me now?
 
No, your cell is breaking up.
 
Oh sorry, interference from my microwave.....
 
Wheel good: The microwave that lets you enjoy hot meals on the move (Daily Mail)
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this was inevitable... by nippononly
Jan 12, 2009 (6:53 am)
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Safety Group Calls for Total Ban On Cellphone Use While Driving
 
A national safety group is advocating a total ban on cellphone use while driving, saying the practice is clearly dangerous and leads to fatalities.
 
States should ban drivers from using handheld and hands-free cell phones, and businesses should prohibit employees from using cell phones while driving on the job, the congressionally chartered National Safety Council says, taking those positions for the first time.
 
The group's president and chief executive, Janet Froetscher, likened talking on cellphones to drunken driving, saying cellphone use increases the risk of a crash fourfold.
 
"When our friends have been drinking, we take the car keys away. It's time to take the cell phone away," Ms. Froetscher said in interview.
 
No state currently bans all cell phone use while driving. Six states -- California, Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Utah and Washington -- and the District of Columbia ban the use of handheld cellphones behind the wheel, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. Also, 17 states and the district restrict or ban cellphone use by novice drivers.
 
.....What makes cellphone use distinct from other risky driving behaviors, Ms. Froetscher said, is the magnitude -- there are 270 million cellphone users in the U.S. and 80% of them talk on the phone while driving.

 
The line I homed in on, of course, was this one, being said out loud for the first time by advocates of the ban: The Governors Highway Safety Association agreed that cellphone use while driving is dangerous, but said it would be difficult to enforce a ban. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, which is funded by auto insurers, said banning all cellphone use "makes sense based on the research," but agreed that enforcement will be difficult.
 
They believe it will take years, but yes, those Bluetooths you all rushed out to buy will ALSO be illegal before the end of the next decade...
 
....and eating your fast food dinner while trying to control the kids and change the CD in the dash will still all be perfectly legal...
 
Common sense truly is dead.
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123170801180171839.html
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Re: this was inevitable... [nippononly] by xrunner2
Jan 12, 2009 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 6:53 am)

Good news that National Safety Council is making the ban proposal. Lets hope that more entities such as insurance companies join in.
 
The "hard to enforce" position of some is only excuse making. With education campaigns about the ban on tv, radio, internet, billboards, print media, etc., the public will be well informed about the ban and will find out that driving and talking on cell phone is the same as drunk driving. Driving public already has been well informed over the years about drunk driving through the media. They will similarly find out about the dangers and irresonsibility of cell phone driving.
 
Perhaps car insurance companies can start to get involved by putting in clauses in policies that diminish some coverage if a cell phone using driver causes a crash.
 
Would also hope that cell phone service providers jump in with their support. Just like beer company commercials stressing responsible use of their product in tv commercials, cell providers could have commercials to stress driver use of cell phones while safely and legally "parked."
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Re: this was inevitable... [xrunner2] by nippononly
Jan 12, 2009 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 12, 2009 7:32 am)

Actually, word is that mobile phone trade organizations are strongly opposed to any further ban on cell phone use. At least that's what the morning news said.
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Re: this was inevitable... [nippononly] by kdshapiro
Jan 12, 2009 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 6:53 am)

You beat me to it.
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Re: this was inevitable... [nippononly] by xrunner2
Jan 12, 2009 (5:34 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2009 8:03 am)

Duh!! What would you expect them to say? Cell phone providers face big revenue losses with a total ban. We need a US Congressional hearing in this. Cell phone service providers need to be put in same situation as beer and spirits providers. They need to start showing responsibility.
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Re: this was inevitable... [xrunner2] by fintail
Jan 12, 2009 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 12, 2009 5:34 pm)

Remember, it's the USA...you get the laws you pay for.
 
Distracted drivers of all types need to start showing some responsibility...that's the genuine issue...but few seem to have the fortitude to face this.
 
Not to mention congress is in one hell of a position to hold anyone accountable for anything...

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