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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

3688 messages,  Last post on Oct 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM

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Re: every time [steve_] by boaz47
Dec 27, 2008 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 27, 2008 1:07 pm)

In government we are taught that, "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Drivers education and the drivers hand book say, "you are responsible for following the laws of the state in which you are receiving your license." when you sign the paperwork to apply for your license you "agree to follow all the rules of the road and laws of the state while operating a vehicle in that state." Or I forgot, another law we aren't expected to pay any attention to. We need another law that adds another fine for breaking a law we agreed not to break when we got our license.
 
"Here is you ticket for parking in a no parking zone Mr. Smith. Here is another ticket for falsely agreeing not to park in a no parking zone when you applied for a license, and here is one for perjury when you said you didn't realize you couldn't park in a red zone, it was on your test."
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Re: every time [boaz47] by steve_ HOST
Dec 27, 2008 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 27, 2008 1:20 pm)

So, you either have a bunch of guilty, but ignorant drivers, or a bunch of educated ones with only the miscreants intentionally violating the law?
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Re: every time [steve_] by boaz47
Dec 27, 2008 (2:07 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 27, 2008 1:37 pm)

It is even more simple than that. I believe people know exactly what the law is. I also believe they know what laws are enforced and what laws aren't. How do we know this? Look at your local state highway patrol and find out what the average speed is on any one part of your freeway or highway. See if it isn't 5 to 10 MPH over the posted speed limit. Now in areas where it is heavily enforced see what the average speed is. Chances are you will see the average driver "believes" they can get away with 5 to 10 MPH over the speed limit on a main highway. So they know the letter of the law isn't enforced. Education, piffle compared to what people believe. If people believe driving while distracted is too had to prove for officers so it isn't being enforced then people will do any number of things while driving because the "believe" the police simply don't care. Is it against the Law? Yes but it isn't enforced. Pass another law addressing the same problem and at first people seem to stop doing the behavior. But as it seems to show once it is noticed that the law isn't enforced people stop paying attention. back to the 5 to 10MPH reasoning.
 
Lets say your answer is to enforce the anti cell phone law and educate people on how that works. Good idea but if it worked wouldn't that mean it would have worked if you would have enforced the driving while distracted law in the first place? And if you can educate people on one law why not the origional law?
 
One of the very groups you mentioned that was pushing for a study on cell phones and accidents AAA posted a study they did on driving distractions a few years ago. Cell phones were not at the top of the AAA list. But have any of the other distractions been addressed? Was the number one distraction even addressed? If the answer is no then why not?
 
It can't happen both ways. If education and enforcement work then they work just as well for the origional law as they will for the amended law. If the origional doesn't work then repeal it. If it works enforce it. It is just that simple. If it isn't enforced it is a waste and it will be ignored, as is seen every day on our highways. A waste of ink.
 
There is a process that tends to work in business and government, KISS. Amended laws adnausium doesn't.
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Re: every time [boaz47] by steve_ HOST
Dec 27, 2008 (2:27 pm)
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Technology will save us.
 
Textecution kills texting functions while driving
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Re: every time [boaz47] by kdshapiro
Dec 27, 2008 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 27, 2008 2:07 pm)

Good idea but if it worked wouldn't that mean it would have worked if you would have enforced the driving while distracted law in the first place?
 
No because you can be one of the minority of people who can hold the phone to your ear and still manage to keep the car in a straight line, even though your mind is at the other end of conversation.
 
IMO, this is why a separate set of laws are needed. We already know laws don't work, that doesn't mean all civil and criminal laws should be scrapped.
 
I do agree laws that clearly serve no legimate purpose should be struck from the books, e.g. it is illegal to shoot a buffalo in Times Square.
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Re: every time [steve_] by boaz47
Dec 27, 2008 (7:01 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 27, 2008 2:27 pm)

You did read the FAQ on that right? It only works on some phones and the child can simply un install? That company must not have any programers that have any children living at home.
 
The comment or the excuse on why they didn't enforce one law and why they would enforce another doesn't even require a response. We know the answer.
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If you think cell phone laws are useless... by kdshapiro
Dec 30, 2008 (2:14 pm)
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You'll love these. Even if you believe cell phone laws serve a useful purpose, these are still great examples of really useless laws.
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Hang Up and Drive by steve_ HOST
Jan 02, 2009 (11:05 pm)
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Or should I say the foot's in the door?
 
"A statewide poll by Pemco Insurance in June, just before the new law took effect, showed 60 percent of Washington drivers wanted to make a handheld cellphone ban a primary offense.
 
But Douglass knows state lawmakers took seven years to move the current law from initial proposal to passage. And it took 16 years for the state's seat-belt law, implemented as a secondary offense in 1986, to become a primary offense in 2002."
 
After 6 months, drivers ignoring cellphone ban (Seattle Times)
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Re: Hang Up and Drive [steve_] by nippononly
Jan 04, 2009 (8:38 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 02, 2009 11:05 pm)

Yup, pretty much matches what I see all around me here - the law is mostly being routinely ignored now. And look at Washington - their ticket is $124 and the law is still being ignored! Ours is only like $75 including court fees.
 
Look at their numbers: Statewide, troopers handed out 746 tickets for illegal driving-and-talking through November. They've socked it to teenagers and septuagenarians; but mostly men and drivers in their 20s and 30s have paid the price. Troopers also issued 1,345 written and verbal warnings.
 
Seattle police have written another 247 tickets, according to the Seattle Municipal Court.
 
And the number of driving-and-phoning citations is tiny compared to the 127,185 speeding tickets state troopers wrote between July and December.

 
The numbers say it all about where enforcement is being targeted, and it ISN'T cell phone users.
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it's going to get worse before it gets better by steve_ HOST
Jan 05, 2009 (10:14 am)
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Can you hear me now?
 
No, your cell is breaking up.
 
Oh sorry, interference from my microwave.....
 
Wheel good: The microwave that lets you enjoy hot meals on the move (Daily Mail)

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