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Automotive News & Views Should cell phone drivers be singled out?
3688 messages, Last post on Oct 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM
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Speaking of the educational component: "[G]roups like NSC and AAA are gearing up for massive public awareness campaigns on par with those that were successful in turning public opinion against drunk driving. One watchdog group has already gone as far as filing a lawsuit against the Bush administration, charging that records on traffic deaths related to phone use by drivers is being withheld by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration." Groups to Push for More Curbs, Education on Phone Use Behind the Wheel in 2009 
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 26, 2008 8:51 am) 
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 26, 2008 2:13 pm) 
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I think I will stay out of this thread permanently, it sucks me back in! Are we seriously proposing writing a new law for every thing we want to educate the public on from now on??!! That is absurd. How many laws do we want as a society? Personally, I say the less the better. kd, if you seriously think that cops are now going to be pulling over people who they noticed looking down, I need to gather some links to videos of all the outrageous things police completely ignore routinely, every day, out on the roads. Not to mention they will be killing precious time on a driver who may or may not (since they could have been looking down at any of a dozen or more things, only one of which is a phone) have been breaking a law with a tiny fine and no driver penalty, when they could be giving out those juicy speeding tickets which, let's face it, occupy 99.9% of all enforcement time of every cop on the road. That is not an accident, they are directed to do so by the cities and counties paying their fairly high salaries, who want to see lots of expensive speeding, red light, and stop sign tickets rolling in, along with the revenue they generate. There are counties along I-5 between LA and SF where going 15 over the limit will cost you well over $300, NOT including traffic school fees, and that's the speed everyone is going out there! Which do you suppose those counties want sheriffs and CHP giving out, the $300+ speeding tickets or the $20 cell phone tickets?? Bingo!
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 27, 2008 11:00 am) Gotcha. The driving distracted laws aren't working. Why not a new one? Or maybe make all driving distracted infractions a $300 ticket?
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 27, 2008 11:07 am) good post but lets see if I can fix it for you? The driving distracted laws aren't being enforced. Why not a new one, that won't be enforced? Or maybe make all driving distracted infractions a $300 ticket even if they never write the ticket? After all weren't the legislators forced to give themselves a monster raise for all the hard work they have been doing making up these laws that aren't enforced? Looks like they are spending the money they aren't getting. So how about this? everyone that supports a law that isn't enforced just sends in the money it will cost to pay for an officer that will get paid for simply enforcing that new law? What a concept, planning on how to make a law work? Oh forget it, just write a law outlawing accidents, that will solve everything.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 27, 2008 12:09 pm) If the local cops are told to enforce the driving distracted laws, unless they pull over the mayor or Paris Hilton and it winds up on the tube, no one but the person nabbed is going to notice.
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 27, 2008 1:07 pm) "Here is you ticket for parking in a no parking zone Mr. Smith. Here is another ticket for falsely agreeing not to park in a no parking zone when you applied for a license, and here is one for perjury when you said you didn't realize you couldn't park in a red zone, it was on your test."
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 27, 2008 1:20 pm) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 27, 2008 1:37 pm) Lets say your answer is to enforce the anti cell phone law and educate people on how that works. Good idea but if it worked wouldn't that mean it would have worked if you would have enforced the driving while distracted law in the first place? And if you can educate people on one law why not the origional law? One of the very groups you mentioned that was pushing for a study on cell phones and accidents AAA posted a study they did on driving distractions a few years ago. Cell phones were not at the top of the AAA list. But have any of the other distractions been addressed? Was the number one distraction even addressed? If the answer is no then why not? It can't happen both ways. If education and enforcement work then they work just as well for the origional law as they will for the amended law. If the origional doesn't work then repeal it. If it works enforce it. It is just that simple. If it isn't enforced it is a waste and it will be ignored, as is seen every day on our highways. A waste of ink. There is a process that tends to work in business and government, KISS. Amended laws adnausium doesn't.
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