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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

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Re: This whole thing [nippononly] by kdshapiro
Dec 23, 2008 (5:28 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 23, 2008 9:36 am)

You're right. For Californians I guess it's just as hard as determining if occupants are wearing seat belts.
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Re: This whole thing [kdshapiro] by nippononly
Dec 23, 2008 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Dec 23, 2008 5:28 pm)

Ummm, not sure if you're kidding, but no of course it is much harder to see someone texting than it is to see whether they have their seatbelt on.
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Re: This whole thing [nippononly] by vinnyny
Dec 23, 2008 (8:51 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 23, 2008 6:15 pm)

Simple. Record an accurate time and write the ticket when you see someone texting. IF the alleged text messager is silly enough to show up in court, require him/her to show his itemized phone bill. If he doesn't have a bill that proves he wasn't texting when the officer said he was, then it becomes texter's word against cop's. Guess who wins that scenario...
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Re: This whole thing [vinnyny] by boaz47
Dec 23, 2008 (10:03 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Dec 23, 2008 8:51 pm)

Sorry, at least in California the state has the burden to prove you are guilty you do not have to prove you are innocent. The court would have to spend the money to get the records and pay their employees for the hours spent. And of course if you don't hit send it doesn't record. Plus if you prepay there are no records to get. All that will cost the state way more than the 20 dollar fine. And for the cell phone challenged you can send a text without "texting". If I hit send while parked and there is no service and drive a few miles to where service is available the phone will send the text without me ever touching the phone. That is one of the advantages to texting, you don't have to wait till you have a signal.
 
My favorite sight may be the dash board note pad. I see people driving down the road all the time with a little note pad and a pen attached. I will see people in a traffic jam reaching forward to write a note on those pads. My Tahoe even comes with a note pad holder in the arm rest. I can't walk and write yet there is no specific law prohibiting witting while driving.
 
But the taking things to court thing is even more interesting. In Riverside County California five or six retired Judges have volunteered their time to help out because the court system is so backed up people can't get their case heard for almost a year. What the court needs are more cases to hear. Texting can be a problem but the cell phone ban has already been circumvented with Bluetooth and in dash cell phones. People can even talk on their cell phone sitting right next to a cop and simply point to their Bluetooth and smile. The law sure slowed cell phones down.......Not
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Re: This whole thing [boaz47] by nippononly
Dec 24, 2008 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 23, 2008 10:03 pm)

Actually, I believe the handheld phone ban is now being routinely ignored, much the way speed limit laws are routinely ignored by the vast majority of drivers (note that the cell phone infraction carries a smaller fine, and does NOT carry a point on your driving record as speeding does). I am surrounded every day on the roads by people talking openly on their (handheld) phones once more.
 
There was a little splash around July 1, it made some bucks for the state, and it is now forgotten. Add one more to the countless collection of California laws with no enforcement and no effect......when will they learn to stop writing laws and enforce the ones they already have?
 
I believe the answer to my question may be "never".
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Re: This whole thing [nippononly] by boaz47
Dec 24, 2008 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 24, 2008 9:24 am)

"when will they learn to stop writing laws and enforce the ones they already have?"
 
Bingo! now you have hit the main point. If they didn't enforce the distracted driver law that already covered cell phones, eating while driving, reading while driving and any other number of distractions why in the world did anyone for an instant believe they were going to enforce a new law that covered only one or two of those very same infractions they weren't enforcing in the first place? You can put ink on paper till your fingers fall off and if they don't enforce the law you have wasted your time. That in a not shell was what was wrong with this law in the first place. It was too hard to enforce and the technology to make it easier to enforce cost too much for most local governments to install. My grandfather would call that spitting in the wind.
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Re: This whole thing [boaz47] by fintail
Dec 24, 2008 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 24, 2008 1:05 pm)

And how much money has been wasted in the campaigns surrounding these pointless laws?
 
I've noticed no local decrease in phone yapping either...nor eating, fiddling with ICE, tending to kids, etc etc etc...
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Re: This whole thing [fintail] by boaz47
Dec 24, 2008 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 24, 2008 1:12 pm)

"And how much money has been wasted in the campaigns surrounding these pointless laws?"
 
The supporters of witting these new laws don't care if they are enforced or how much it cost to process a law. They are like the old pharaoh in the Story of Moses. Let it be written let it be done. All the comfort they need is the ink on paper. And if this law doesn't work they will ask for another law that asks for people to report other people they see breaking a law the police doesn't have time to enforce nor the money to enforce it. Then they can thump themselves on the chest and say, at least we did something. We made a law and wasted the paper it was written on.
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Re: This whole thing [boaz47] by fintail
Dec 24, 2008 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 24, 2008 1:29 pm)

The same crowd who believe a law is just and logical and perfect simply because it is a law, and will defend it to the death simply because it is a law...no matter this is a nation based on the discarding of unjust laws. Blind deference to illogical laws is un-American.
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by p0926
Dec 24, 2008 (5:06 pm)
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Typical. Attack laws for being un-enforceable, pointless, too expensive to enforce, waste of time, etc. then obfuscate by yet again bringing up other driver distractions and try to equate them as being equally distracting.
 
How about acknowledging the ever increasing body of evidence that driving while talking on a cell phone is dangerous and should be avoided?
 
-Frank

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