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Should cell phone drivers be singled out?

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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [fintail] by tpe
Oct 18, 2006 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Oct 18, 2006 11:55 am)

But it doesn't just affect yourself. Who pays for the injuries when lazy/stupid unbelted people get splattered on their dashboards? Not the injured.
 
What do you think that insurance is for? I guess you could argue that it places a burden on our health care system that gets spread out amongst all of us. Okay, the same can be said for obesity. Let's make that illegal. Pretty easy to identify the offenders, baggy close can only hide so much. Oh and something like 6,000 people die each year from skin cancer. Better make laying out at the beach or pool illegal.
 
For a society that prides itself on freedom we have an inordinate fascination with laws.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [tpe] by fintail
Oct 18, 2006 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Oct 18, 2006 12:04 pm)

Insurance comes from somewhere - higher rates paid by all.
 
Still no answer about those liberties...
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [fintail] by tpe
Oct 18, 2006 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Oct 18, 2006 12:04 pm)

The stupid deserve no sympathy nor respect.
 
Okay, I'll admit it. As Forrest Gump would say, "I'm not a smart man". But I really don't want sympathy or respect. What I want is to be able to exercise my own judgement in deciding what I should and shouldn't be allowed to do. That freedom is rapidly eroding in this country.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [fintail] by snakeweasel
Oct 18, 2006 (12:10 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Oct 18, 2006 12:04 pm)

Thats not the issue here, the question was why was in a violation of personal rights. I answered it.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [fintail] by snakeweasel
Oct 18, 2006 (12:17 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Oct 18, 2006 12:07 pm)

Still no answer about those liberties...
 
I answered that one.
 
As for insurance, tpe did a good job at that. If you are going to complain about those who don't wear seat belts you have to complain about those who engage in high risk activities.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [snakeweasel] by m1miata
Oct 18, 2006 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Oct 18, 2006 10:13 am)

I assume the question, " should cell phone users be singled out " implies that because there are other possible dangerous behaviors, one should overlook this dangerous behavior. Kind of gee, I am being picked on because I have a cell phone defence. Well, if it is indeed dangerous at ANY speed to use it while the car is in motion, and it becomes a law, I am OK with that. It makes sense. Seen too many people that can not control the car when talking on the cell phones. I see the car swerve or slow down, like the person inside is distracted. If the navigation systems on cars are causing a problem, rid the world of those too, while driving. Let's get back to driving. As for radios. While in town the radio should be lower, and at least a crack down to the windows so one can hear emergency vehicles.
-Loren
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [m1miata] by snakeweasel
Oct 18, 2006 (12:59 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Oct 18, 2006 12:38 pm)

Well, if it is indeed dangerous at ANY speed to use it while the car is in motion, and it becomes a law, I am OK with that.
 
Here in lies the problem, I am not so sure it is dangerous at any speed, or any conditions. Sure there are times when it can be more dangerous than others, just like at times driving 55 MPH is more dangerous than others. But yet I don't see a wide sweeping ban on driving 55 MPH. Yet it is addressed in those areas where it is deemed unsafe.
 
My point being is just because a segment of the population cannot seem to operate a car and use a cell phone at the same time does that mean that everyone has to suffer for their actions.
 
Sure you see the driver who seems inattentive look into the car and see them on a cell phone. So have I, I have also seen them eating, drinking, reading and the like. I have also seen them apparently doing nothing distractive These people are usually just lousy drivers to begin with.
 
Now the thing one has to think about is how often do you see someone driving down the street staying in their lane, going right away when the light turns green, changing lanes when its all clear and generally paying attention to their driving? Now how often do you look at what the driver is actually doing? My guess is not nearly as often as when you see someone driving like a total idiot.
 
The point of this is that you will notice the lugnut talking on the phone, you won't necessarily notice the good driver on the phone. Simply because the lugnut draws attention to themselves by their actions while the good driver doesn't.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [m1miata] by tpe
Oct 18, 2006 (1:41 pm)
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Replying to: m1miata (Oct 18, 2006 12:38 pm)

Do you ever have passengers in your car? Do you talk to them?
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [snakeweasel] by fintail
Oct 18, 2006 (1:46 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Oct 18, 2006 12:10 pm)

That has nothing to do with 'liberties'. There's a little logic in diving without a seatbelt as there is yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater. Defend the act.
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Re: Why, pray tell, can't ... [snakeweasel] by fintail
Oct 18, 2006 (1:48 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Oct 18, 2006 12:17 pm)

Correct me if I am wrong, but an unhealthy person will end up paying more for life insurance, and certainly all health related insurance is going to follow suit.
 
If people don't like these laws, they are more than free to try to change them. It will be harder than ousting the current burgeoning corporate theocracy that has invaded every corner of the power structure. Good luck.

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