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Pontiac Grand Am, Security System, Sedan
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For those experiencing the security passlock problem, please see long-time member lovemygrandam's GM Security Passlock Fix tutorial.
#915 of 1230 Re: 2002 grand am security lite,no start b.s. [lovemygrandam]
Dec 17, 2010 (12:26 pm)
In addition to GM's financial problems, recall my earlier observation that the PassLock system is imposed upon GM by insurance companies via product-liability laws (the same laws which allow gun-control advocates to sue gun makers when a firearm is used in a crime). If you look at your insurance application, you will notice that it asks you if your car has an electronic inhibition to thieves. For having that, you get a lower rate. So, needless to say, Allstate & Co. are in no hurry to encourage or even allow disabling of the system. And, they have far more lawyers than anyone reading these posts.
The real problem appears to be the poor quality of the system, plus the probability that "non-authorized" repair shops (plus some GM dealerships probably) don't really know how to fix the problem. I know that, when I took my Pontiac to Firestone, I literally had to go myself to the Radio Shack across the street, personally buy the switch, bring it back, and show the mechanic exactly what to do. I even had to jiggle the wires once everything was disassembled to get the car going before cutting the wire and splicing the switch. There really is a lot of ignorance out there, and it's not all in the car owners.
#916 of 1230 Re: 2002 grand am security lite,no start b.s. [nobullchitbids]
Dec 17, 2010 (3:14 pm)
The real problem appears to be the poor quality of the system, plus the probability that "non-authorized" repair shops (plus some GM dealerships probably) don't really know how to fix the problem.
Point well taken. Also the part about liability laws is very true, but that doesn't keep aftermarket suppliers like Auto One from bypassing the security system in order to install their Remote Start systems. Usually their systems are a no-brainer to install, consisting of a little box with four screw terminals. You cut the black and yellow wires, and connect the four resulting ends to the four terminals of the little box, and away you go... 15 minute job, including removing and replacing the radio. The little box costs $0.75 to build, sells for $19.95 plus installation. I'm thinking of manufacturing a screw-in module in my basement and go into competition with them, for people who just want to install their own bypass, but can't solder. How much do you think I should charge? A picture of my first prototype is at:
By the way, what happened to posts 913 and 914? Did someone get flamed?
Jan 02, 2011 (1:59 pm)
I have cut the yellow wire and did all the waiting and I still have the same problem of the car starting only once or twice a day. The question is if I reattach the yellow wire could I then go in and take out the radio and just cut the yellow wire then put in a toggle would this work. OR, could I just leave the yellow wire I cut to the BCM, solder and atta?
#918 of 1230 Re: What to do next [wrestler145]
Jan 02, 2011 (6:20 pm)
Was the car running when you cut the wire? If not, you accomplished nothing. The car must be running when the wire is cut. If you did that, it makes no difference when you install the toggle (in the off position, so the wire stays "cut"), since all the toggle does is allow you to "reconnect" the wire if you have to change out the battery.
#919 of 1230 Re: What to do next [wrestler145]
Jan 02, 2011 (8:07 pm)
We can't tell you what to do if you don't tell us your symptoms. As far as i can see, this is your first post.
Before you do anything more, what were your symptoms before you cut your yellow wire?
* Did your car fail to start, or start and die immediately, with the "security" light flashing?
* Was your "security" light on solid, and you tried to start the car, and it would not start, and the "security" light stayed on. (solid)?
There is a permanent link at the top of this thread. it will get you to the definitive fix for the "security" problem, but first, you must know that what is keeping your car from running is actually the "security" problem. If the security light is not on (solid or flashing), they you must look elsewhere.
See my website for Grand Am and Alero Security fixes.
#920 of 1230 Re: What to do next [nobullchitbids]
Jan 02, 2011 (8:08 pm)
I should of made this a little clearer,my fault. I went into the module and cut the yellow wire and spliced into the black wire and i still have the same problem with starting the car. I still can start the car at leased once a day, but after that I have to wait til the next day to start it. I have tried the waiting of 10 minutes.
My question is can do i have to reconnect the yellow wire on the module then try to cut the yellow wire behind the starter or can I just try cutting the yellow
and hope for luck?
#921 of 1230 Re: What to do next [lovemygrandam]
Jan 02, 2011 (8:13 pm)
The light was blinking when I was driving. At first I didn't understand the problem. My brother is a mechanic and he first thought was the lock out system.
#922 of 1230 Re: What to do next [alvindm]
Jan 03, 2011 (7:03 pm)
The light was blinking when it quit starting for me. I then read all the messages and tried removing BCM and cut the yellow wire and striped the black wire and added a 2.2k omg and solder the wire together. I waited 10 minutes and started the car. Now the car won't start again.
Could I go into the radio and cut the yellow wire without reconnecting the yellow wire in the BCM or do I reconnect and then cut the yellow wire behind the radio?
#923 of 1230 Re: What to do next [alvindm]
Jan 04, 2011 (11:34 am)
Am I to understand that you soldered the black and yellow wires together? If so, that is not what is recommended anywhere on this forum. Go to the link at the beginning of this thread. [GM Security Passlock Fix] Read the article ENTIRELY, and try again. Nowhere does it mention connecting the black and yellow wires together.
#924 of 1230 Re: What to do next [lovemygrandam]
Jan 04, 2011 (4:20 pm)
Again sorry, I soldered the 2.2 resistor to the the yellow and the striped black wire on the BCM. Then waited 10 minutes and started the car. Later the car again didn't start.
Can I now go in behind the radio and cut the yellow wire without going back to the BCM and reconnecting the wires that I soldered together?