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Re: 07' Lucerne [tstridde]
by lucerneowner
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Jan 08, 2008 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: tstridde (Jan 08, 2008 2:19 pm)
This is clearly a DIFFERENT vibration problem than the one described in posts #145 & #172, which occurred only during momentary rotation/(torquing of the engine on the engine mounts during initial acceleration (problem since corrected). I have never had your particular vibration problem, as my '06 CX is quite smooth at the speeds you mention. Good luck finding someone here with the experience/insight to address your particular problem. I'm sure you are very frustrated with this.
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- #175 of 214
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Lucerne CXL front-end vibration
by zsts
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Jan 25, 2008 (2:58 pm)
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Finally after the third time in the shop for vibration and other front-end suspension noises they replaced the stabilizer bar linkage, strut mounts and intermediate steering shaft. So far this has taken care of all my vibration and noises I’ve had. Hope this helps someone else.
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- #176 of 214
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Re: Lucerne CXL front-end vibration [zsts]
by edub708
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Mar 01, 2008 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: zsts (Jan 25, 2008 2:58 pm)
My 2007 CXS has a vibration issue from 40-up. I have had the tired balanced 2 times already. I will take it to the delaer now. Also, I hear a tick in the engine. You cannot hear the tick unless you open the hood since the car is pretty quiet. But when the hood is open, you can clearly hear it. I think the Lucerne has many manufactiruing isses based upon what I have been reading. I wish I did more homework before spending the money. Good thing is I am still under 1 year and not close to 12K miles. If they cannot fix it in 3 tries, I will get legal counsel to have GM buy the car back under the lemon laws.
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- #177 of 214
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Vibration
by tbird007
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Apr 03, 2008 (7:15 am)
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In my initial test drive of my new 2007 Buick Allure CXL (Lucerne in the US) I noted a vibration in the steering and seat at 60 - 70 mph. I was informed by the dealer this would be taken care of. However, after a wheel balance and replacement of tires with Michelin the vibration did not disappear.
GM was contacted and their response was that this was a 'normal characteristic of the vehicle" and asked me to 'accept the diagnosis given'. I am not satisfied after paying over $38,000.00 and expect GM to correct the problem. I have owned several Buicks and other GM products over the past 40 years have never encountered this before.
I have submitted a complaint to the Canadian Motor Vehicle Arbitration Board in hope that I will take into consideration my complaint from day one, that GM has been aware of this problem for some time (according to messages provided above), and that I was not informed of this possible design flaw.
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- #178 of 214
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Re: Vibration [tbird007]
by lucerneowner
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Apr 03, 2008 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: tbird007 (Apr 03, 2008 7:15 am)
I think you are absolutely correct and in the right. I've had vibration problems with my 2006 Lucerne CX (now 36K miles), but yours is certainly not one of them. I've read in this and other Forums that others have had your vibration problem, even after changes tires, but don't recall if/how they were resolved. Good luck!
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- #179 of 214
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Re: Vibration [tbird007]
by imidazol97
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Apr 04, 2008 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: tbird007 (Apr 03, 2008 7:15 am)
Have the wheels and tires balanced by a Hunter 9700 RoadForce balancer with a knowlegeable operator. Have the alignment set precisely to the recommend settings. That should fix your LaCrosse/Allure.
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- #180 of 214
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Re: Vibration [imidazol97]
by edub708
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Apr 04, 2008 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 04, 2008 7:10 am)
I had my tires balanced, no improvment. I then had them road forced balanced and it turned out 2 bad tires. The other 2 tires were ok. Got 2 new tires and they were road force balanced, still vibration. I test drove 3 2008 CXS at the dealer and they were worse than my car with respect to vibration. I then went to Bridgestone since I have the EL400-02 245/50/18 tires. They did another road force balance and it was better but still a vibration. I begged to get the Michelin tires and I was told "that is not an approved tire in this size". I was about to buy some Michelins HX MXM4 245/50/18 tires, but they are about $1000.00 for a set of 4 and I spent enough on the car. GM is ignoring its customers. I was always loyal to GM but no more!!! In short, GM cannot help me so now I will get a lemon law case opened. Does anyone know if you are entitled to a full refund in lemon law cases??? I wonder how long it takes to be resolved. I think everyone should start doing lemon law cases so GM can wake up. Ashame they will have to spend over $30K when all they had to sepdn was $1K on tires.
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- #181 of 214
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Re: Vibration [tbird007]
by edub708
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Apr 04, 2008 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: tbird007 (Apr 03, 2008 7:15 am)
Which Michelin tires was tried??? For the CXL 17" tires it seems GM will try those but not the CXS 18" tires. Seems most had success with Michelin HX MXM4 tires. I assume your sire is 235/45/17.
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- #182 of 214
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Re: Vibration [edub708]
by imidazol97
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Apr 05, 2008 (6:35 am)
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Replying to: edub708 (Apr 04, 2008 7:12 pm)
When the Bridgestone dealer RoadForce balanced, did they tell you the amount of error in the tires? Example, my Michelins all checked below 10 units except one was 12. The dealer said the ram-tested tires GM shipped for replacements at the tie the frame stiffness was becoming a factor showing the bad tire construction were showing up to 18 or a number like that. IOW, a good tire fixes the problem.
In my opinion the Firestone/Bridgestone tire people have a vested interest in not trying to replace tires if the best new tire is going to have a substantial amount of RoadForce out-of-roundness.
Others have mentioned a change in a motor/transmission mount affected the vibration they were feeling on Lucernes.
What has happened is the moving parts on the wheels that hold the wheels in place have gotten lighter. This means less mass to hold the tire in place as it wants to move up and down due to the out-of-roundness. The stiffer chasses also transmit the feel more. This has shown the poor tire construction of some companies.
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- #183 of 214
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Re: Vibration [imidazol97]
by edub708
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Apr 05, 2008 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 05, 2008 6:35 am)
I don't know, but I will go back and have them do it again and tell me the info. What is the accepted road force balance value for CXS so it will not vibrate??? I am almost certain it is the tires as it has improved by some degrees when I had various balances and drive for a short while although never vibrationless. I really like the car but this vibration I will not accect and I am certainly not about to spend $1K to get the proper tires.
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