Last post on Nov 03, 2012 at 11:29 AM
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Buick LaCrosse, Steering, Sedan
#79 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [motorcity6]
Jun 15, 2012 (11:16 am)
New Buicks are overpriced, too heavy, and gutless creatures and my Florida dealer is on my "short list."
Little harsh there? I find my 2012 LaCrosse to be just fine. 0 to 60 in under 7 seconds is hardly "gutless"
I'll agree it is a bit heavy, but otherwise a nice effort and one of the best GM cars in well over a decade.
#80 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [motorcity6]
Jun 15, 2012 (11:18 am)
ARGHHHHH! Beg to differ. The 3800 V-6 that GM used for more than a decade in many cars was a Buick proprietary engine prior to the generic approach designed by the beancounters to cut cost. Great engine until the same beancounters endorsed the plastic plenum on the aluminum intake on the cast iron block - can you say expansion coeeficient problems?
GM has had good if not great engineering, good bodies (Fisher Body), and very good engine designs prior to the pre-bankruptcy management fiasco.
Any car company can have misfires, bad designs or poorly assembled parts platforms that result in "bad" models. GM surely had its share over the years (Vega, Corvair, Cadillac 4.1L aluminum engine, iceburgh alternator, plastic plenum on various engines, and diesel engine conversions from gas) as did the other makers. We now have many good choices in the market, mainly due to competition - both domestic and foreign brands.
#81 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [tjc78]
Jun 17, 2012 (4:58 am)
Sorry about the slam on Buicks, you must have the 3.6 power??? Big $$$$s.
My biggest money Buick was a 81 Riveria V-8 which I kept for about 20k mi and dumped.. Still had the original factory oil in the crankcase when I sold it.
The 94 LeSabre I picked up at a Chevy dealer with 3k miles, GM employee trade in, bargain priced, and at 50k miles had the Buick dealer installed 4 Monore heavy-duty struts which cured some of the inherent sloppy handling of a Buick. Traded the car away around 110k..
Good Luck on your 2012 Lacrosse!!!!!!!
#82 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [crankeee]
Jun 17, 2012 (5:34 am)
Had a 84 Caddy Eldo Biarritz for 2 months, a company car leased for the CEO, and it was handed to me after his termination..The 4.1 was a weeny engine and after 3 months of use I terminated the lease and sold it to a retired GM employee. The new owner was happy and I was very pleased to see it go away..Worst handling, gutless wonder of a car ever driven, think it had about 15k mi on it..
Having had several 3.8 V-6 powered GM cars, I realize the history of the powerplant, and one of my current rides is the last of the Supercharged models..Bought it 5 yrs ago this month from the local Caddy dealer showing 4300 miles, trade in, and paid $14,500 for a 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix GT, loaded, stickered over $30k..
The 260hp V-6 is a fun-motor which loves to be hammered on the interstate, it is noisy and crude, however the when the supercharger engages it is a different animal..At 70k miles the engine is really not broken in yet, gets a diet of "Royal Purple" changed every 5k by my local mechanic..
I keep the car for it is fun, cheap transportation, cold a/c, and sunroof is a must in Florida..It is on it's 5th battery, main engine and tranny mounts were replaced, tires and proper alignment have been solved..May keep it another year......
#83 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [motorcity6]
Jun 18, 2012 (10:00 am)
Moto: You really did not have the factory oil in acar for 20M miles - say it ain't true! Our 1998 Bonneville got new oil and filter every 3M miles and gave us a good 114,000 miles and 14 years of service. newer cars allow for longer intervals with synthetic but 20M w/o an oil change. ARGHHHHHH!
#84 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [crankeee]
Jun 18, 2012 (11:02 am)
It's true..The Riveria was a company car, and I was terminated 60 days after the car was delivered..I keep the car for 4 more months after the termination, commuted between Crystal Lake, Ill and Grosse Pointe Woods, Mich. Had a cruiser in a marina near Detroit and it was summer time, took a long vacation..It was a great time and the whole affair was settled in court..
I did add oil to the Rivy as it requested..I am a real fuddy when it comes to oil changes, but during this time I had other priorities..Every one of my cars always had oil changes every 3-4k miles and I only run the synthetics 5-6k..
The Rivy was a better car than the Caddy Eldo Bairritz, but neither one was a road car, no power and crappy suspension..Kinda like a "rocking chair." back and forth...up and down..
After owning 53 cars to date and traveling a few million miles, maintenance was really centered around oil changes, brake jobs, nice round well balanced rubber for smooth high-speed cruising,,,no shake in the steering wheel, seats or mirrors..
#85 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [motorcity6]
Jun 18, 2012 (6:18 pm)
You know the primary reason for warped rotors. I can say I never had that issue not track to improper torqueing.
It seems the Intrigue must have been one of GM's better builds. I see many of them on the street here and they still look pretty decent.
Maybe heavy, but they give the feel of strength as you ride across any bumps versus a cacoon that flexes all over the place. The Aurora had that feel of strength.
#86 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [e_net_rider]
Jun 20, 2012 (8:46 am)
Been through alot of brake jobs over the years and the Intrigue ownership taught me about over-torqueing, appears plausible. I am not a mechanic and any repairing of mechanical problems is my opinion only..Air filter changing, light bulb replacement, and car cleaning is the extent of my talents..
Recently, a car under my care had an a/c stoppage and I knew the dealer would tell me that the compressor was shot, however I did a web search and pin-pointed the problem, went to the car dealer parts dept, no stock, went to my 2 man-shop and they had the relay on hand, and we had cold air again for $75.00..Had to be lucky once in awhile!!!!
The Intrigues were OK cars, all 3 were loaded GLS models, leather, sunroof, and chrome wheels..The 99er and the 02 were powered by the "Short Star V-6" all alum engine w/4 valves/cyl, and 6.5 qt oil capacity. I had SLP catback exhaust system installed on both Intrigues..Great suspension system, and fun cars to drive, not hotrods, but able to cover long distances comfortably for a smaller car..The 98 Intrigue was a GM buyback at 26k mi, which worked out well for me. The 98 and 99 were bought in Michigan, and the 2002 was purchased in Florida and never left the state..
The 99er was the victim of a 17 hr straight drive from Ocala, Fl to Grosse Pte Wds, Mi covering 1120 miles, one driver, fun trip, no meals in the car..No tickets either, I-75 all the way..It's return trip to Fl was on a car carrier and was the victim of a low-hanging tree limb. Cost the carrier $350 for clean-up services..Had the a/c problem car mentioned earlier shipped from Indianapolis to Venice, Fl in 2007, totally enclosed trailer, $1,000..
#87 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [motorcity6]
Jun 20, 2012 (9:56 am)
moto: That explains the oil story. We also went thru the schizophrenic employer behavior of the 80's. One of my appointed bosses would get his lithium mixed up and fire everyone that disagreed with him. His expertise was getting the headcount down not running the business, but he drove a Fiat so we understood his behavior.
We love preventitve maintenance also and 3-5000 mile oil changes are a cheap route. Our leased company cars were really beaten down and mistreated but executive units assigned as perks - not for business purposes - were taken care of by underlings. The $30,000 to $60,000 cars of today need less care but we still keep ours in tip top condition and treat them as family members.
The new Buick Lacrosse is more "German" IMO and a real pleasure to drive. Excellent mileage with 28-29.5 at max hiway speed with our small V-6 . Ours has outstanding handling on the road with most all of the creature comforts for a low $30's MSRP. much better iron than cars of old. No rocking chair suspension either.
The real test will be long termm durability and new GM's approach to recalls, TSB's and customer complaints. If they willingly and proactively fix problems - and there will be some- thenwe will all buy their iron. If not....well then......
#88 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [crankeee]
Jun 21, 2012 (10:52 am)
Good posting!!!!! If you are happy with your Buick then you made the right decision for the money..only time will tell..
The only reason I happened to be on the Lacrosse forum was I happen to see a 2008 Lacrosse on the website of the local Toyota dealer with super low mileage, leather, and sunroof..The 200 hp 3.8 power is no thriller but the rest of package was okay..
However after reading the common ownership complaints which mirrors most GM car maladies of the Chevy and Buick camp, I have dropped the idea. They share too many components which have a proven record of failure..
Owned too many good cars to get stuck with more junk...The Mustang GT is still option #1 if they only had a sunroof available..At 78 yrs of age, the convertible is out, and besides it's too hot in Fla..My search continues..