Last post on Nov 03, 2012 at 10:29 AM
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Buick LaCrosse, Steering, Sedan
#69 of 95 Re: Buick LaCrosse defect in intermediate shaft [judy63]
Jan 27, 2012 (2:14 pm)
It seems you are right about one thing, the bean counters that tell corporate it is cheaper not to fix. And then you have the decision makers whose megamillion bonuses are determined by profits within their contract. Some even design their contract so they can run it in the ground and do a quick turnaround to benefit themselves. And then there are the unions with their own beauracy that benefit by protecting warm bodies. Some of them I'm not real sure about being warm and likely voted in Chicago, several times.
In a nutshell, they need to make better contracts and sweep away some of the old. Maybe even visit Chicago for some help with some contracts.
Joking aside, it is no fun to be taken advantage of with bad intentions. The day for them will come. Just be prepared for bailout kings to ill spend more of your tax money.
There is absolutely no reason to allow shoddy parts design destroy a company. Some heads need to be rolling at GM from my last two experiences. Unfortunately, when it comes to defective parts, it is considered "no harm, no foul." Both of those last two, GM, certain problems could have gotten me maimed or killed. It was just a matter of timing. Seconds earlier or later, I could have been met with something much bigger in the middle of that intersection. So I guess I was a bit lucky that I could apply the lemon law to prevent further incident. But on one of them, not so lucky for that buyer. She tracked me down when she finally got the title. She was having issues and they neglected to inform her it was a lemon.
Vote with your dollars.
I certainly agree with what seems to be a long history with steering column. You can start by putting together your own well documented version and sending to NHTSA. I'm not to sure of some of their employees from what I've read in case files.
Since you have a long list of vehicles, I'd certainly listen if you were able to draw correlation. Part number lists are available and from that you should be able to track to manufacturer of the part for the end vehicle. All brands can not make all parts in house.
And you might be able to add 2011 Lacrosse CXS to list. They change the column on mine because the lock broke. Later GM came with a simple fix. But in the changing, either from bad mechanic or bad part, it developed dangerous play in the steering. Enough that contour changes of the road surface were enough to put you across the line. I come close to side swiping a couple of vehicles.
#70 of 95 Re: Buick LaCrosse defect in intermediate shaft [freddy515]
Jan 27, 2012 (2:26 pm)
That is one way to look at it.
But here is another, and I know it to be true.
Dealerships have rating cards from GM. They get GM angry, they get that kind of rating. GM tells them what repairs are authorized or not. If they want to stay in GM's graces, they abide. (Actually probably have to kiss ___) I asked one dealer owner about their connection with GM. Does GM listen? His answer was astoundingly honest. Yes they listen, but they are much bigger than us. And you know which way crap flows.
The closing of those dealers may not have been their own wish. Another case of the bean counters?
A parting thought. A warranty is only good if it is honored.
#71 of 95 Re: Buick LaCrosse defect in intermediate shaft [judy63]
Jan 28, 2012 (6:39 am)
Totally agree. I own an '05 LaCrosse which I suspect has the same problem. The GM customer service rep on this forum advised me to take the vehicle in for an inspection and if the dealership can hear/see the problem, then MAYBE, just MAYBE , GM would cover PART of the cost to replace the bad equipment. Gee, wouldn't that be swell? If/when it becomes absolutely necessary to have my problem addressed, I will fix it on my own dime. However, I will NEVER buy another GM product and I will bad-mouth GM to anyone and everyone who will listen.
#72 of 95 2010 Buick Lacrosse Steering Issue
May 24, 2012 (8:04 pm)
After 5 attempts to fix the steering issues over 6 months, the Buick dealership has not been able to repair the defective steering issues. They have even brought in a GM Engineer with no success. They just keep asking for me to bring the back the car for another try - like a race pit stop.
Since Buick has not admitted the problem cannot be fixed. I have sought help from the BBB Auto Line (http://www.bbb.org/us/auto-line-lemon-law/) . Based on the customer service that I have received from the Buick Warranty Department, I imagine that I will end up in court. I will be parking the car, so I do not go over the 50,000 warranty and buying a foreign car.
After this experience, I will never buy another GM product and will spread the lack of quality to every person that I can.
#73 of 95 Re: 2010 Buick Lacrosse Steering Issue [mcoleman22]
May 25, 2012 (1:16 am)
Sorry, did you post earlier about your problem? I am curious of details. It would seem steering issues would be fixable.
Do read your lemon law carefully. If you have proper documentation of attempts to repair, you should not have issue.
This state has a limitation and that is the first attempt to fix a problem had to have occurred within two years of your purchasing. Unless something has changed in the last couple of years, mileage only effects the percentage of cost for buyback.
In this state I believe arbritation is used and the law is so clear cut that if you have documentation showing three attempts at the same problem you should have no problem. Also you'd have to start the paperwork before the third attempt, so that when they get the car they have also gotten notification that this is there last try, or else.
They might get slick by writing such things on the work order as "could not duplicate complaint." Sometimes that is real, depending upon the problem. I would seek advice from BBB if that is occurring.
State your model and type of PS when you reply. Take the money when the deal is done if you pursue.
I went through the headaches of two lemons in a row. First their is the stress of dealing with dealer visits, then the fact they say can not duplicate. Add in that some repairs came back worse, possibly a bad GM part. Or that you know they are working in the wrong part of the system. Postal anyone? Then you learn they are following GM troubleshooting procedure, OMG. And when the problem clearly exists the GM rep says it does not. Unfortunately the lemon law does not cover psychiatric treatment. After two in a row I was very terrorized about possibly a third. It took me six months before seriously shopping. I had ruled out everything in the GM line. So far, the MKS has been a good purchase. Not perfect, as I would like to have seen a little better gas mileage. Those sort of things. Back issues weighed heavily into decision. I have no idea just how reliable it will be in long run, but if looking for a ride and seat that does not beat you up, you might want to look. It is likely the only vehicle that defies the expert reviews about cooled seats.
Please reply about the PS issue.
#74 of 95 Re: 2010 Buick Lacrosse Steering Issue [e_net_rider]
May 25, 2012 (5:52 am)
I have a 2010 Buick LaCrosse CXL. I did notify the dealership after the four attempt that the fifth attempt would be the last. The dealership has always acknowledge that the steering did have an issue. They have almost replaced everything related to the steering. The dealership has been great to us.
The GM Warranty Department refused to contact me. The GM Executive Office did not seem willing to resolve the problem. We are taking the first steps on arbitration before filing a lawsuit.
#75 of 95 Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS
Jun 12, 2012 (11:33 am)
This item dates the "W" body GM offerings, Impala, Grand Prix, Intrigues, and probably the Buick..LaCrosse..and the current Malibu lineup..
Had 3 Olds Intrigues and all were subject to steering issues traced to the ISS part..GM did buy-back the 98 Intrigue after 26k miles..My 1999 and 2002 Intrigues did suffer this condition, but only required a simple replacement. My current 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix GT had 3 ISS replacements by 30k miles, and steering is no problem at 70k..
Ran across a used 2008 LaCrosse CXS w/12k miles and wondered what Buick owners were complaining about and I find steering issues are still an issue..Passed up a 2011 Malibu LTZ V-6 last week, 10k miles, after reading that steering issues are common..Been there too many times..Passed up on the Malibu at $14,500.. and the Buick is still sitting on the lot..Both cars are loaded, leather and sunroof..The Buick draw back is the 200hp engine..still under warranty..
Really can't see GM buying back on any of these steering issues..My 98 Intrigue had steering rack issues also coupled with braking problems..
I prefer to buy very low-mileage cars instead of new in the current business climate, keep 3 in the garage, one rests and 2 are driven..
#76 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [motorcity6]
Jun 12, 2012 (5:59 pm)
Buy back might fall under lemon and here it seems to be any defect. If it is safety related might be arguable. An electric power steering that about once per thousand miles tries to steer the vehicle to the right with all the power the system has is clearly dangerous. Loose linkage that allows the vehicle to wonder is dangerous, especially at normal speeds and unpredictably. It is certainly bad that GM lets some known issues run for years and even re-create them in later models is bad for the buyer.
Even Ford seems to have issues that way. Looseness/play in steering. The first Taurus were OK, but second generation they change a component in the steering shaft. To take of any play in the slide shaft, they use a feathered edge nylon/plastic device. The feathered edges become weak and break off at relatively low mileages. Typically way before 100K miles. With changes in other steering components, the steering has less self-holding capability and a small input from the road results in play. Can almost be like a shudder and combined with other factors such as gusty wind or passing vehicles. As the problem progresses, you will go through white knuckle driving, not good.
Can be very dangerous. Alas, I feel a slight play in Lincoln MKS, suspecting Ford is using that device in the steering of this vehicle. Watching very carefully currently. I've had a couple of incidents and wonder about a fix. I'll ask dealer what they know of it.
What sort of braking issue?
#77 of 95 Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft????? ISS [e_net_rider]
Jun 15, 2012 (9:39 am)
Braking issues on the 98 Intrigue,started around 3k on the rear brakes, replaced rotors and pads..Rotors had a tendency to warp easily, mainly due to over torquing the lugs..However at 3k mi they were out of the assembly plant..This car never stopped due to mechanical problems or left me stranded..The GM buyback was very calm, no legal eagles involved or any yelling. I did have some conversation with some outfit in Virginia handling the Lemon law.. I did run across an article on Edmunds where they had long-term tested a 1998 Intrigue with the same issues and that was forwarded..
All things considered the Intrigues were good cars and the 1999 along with the 2002 had the V-6, 4 valve alum blocked engine used only in Intrigues and some Auroras..The 2002 went 120k w/o any mechanical issues..Having owned 53 cars to date and probably driven 2 million miles, I can only say that some rides were better than others with my all-time favorite being a 71 SS350 Camaro that did 90k mi in 18 months, and the 74, 76, and 77 Grand Prix LJs w/big-block V-8s..Another favorite was my 1950 Ford Crestliner, V-8, tranny w/overdrive, dual carbs, and exhausts..
The only foreign entries were 2 Porsches, 1958 and 59, 356 Super coupes, purchased in Germany and driven some 60k miles, the 59 was brought back to the states and sold..In the old days the autobahn was a blast, now it's a socially run farce of regulations..
Buicks are not my passion car, had a 73 LeSabre w/455 V-8, suffered rod knock from 1st day, Buick took the motor apart several times and warranted the car forever. Bought wife a new 87 Electra T-Type, sold after 30k miles, Had a 92 Regal GS for 95k miles, and a 94 LeSabre for 110k..
New Buicks are overpriced, too heavy, and gutless creatures and my Florida dealer is on my "short list."