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Buick LaCrosse, Sedan
Oct 20, 2010 (6:59 am)
Seems Buick has a long way to go. This is 2011 CXS loaded other than sunroof and rear seat displays. I've had it 12 days and just over 500 miles. There are some nice things about this vehicle, but:
Lacrosse Bad List
• Head Rests – A real pain in the neck. You can’t tell me GM is not aware. Just look at the drawing in the owners manual related to proper positioning. Even the artist is aware. The guy has his neck crooked forward like Ichabod Crane without the Adams apple.
• Tires with Touring Package – GY Eagle RSA tires are noisy and hard, and also fall short in other areas according to survey at tirerack.com. They rank 15th among similar tires. They may be cause of oscillating sway, maybe because of sidewall construction linked to tread design.
• Seat Memory – It will move into memorized position as soon as driver door is opened, before you get in. That is dumb! More on this subject after I test what the owners manual says. It says that the position used is memorized in the remote. That would seem to indicate 4 possible memorized settings. Two for the remotes + two for the seat memory buttons. It seems the memory does not work as indicated in the manual. Other GM systems I’ve used only require momentary use of memory button to move seat to programmed position. The memory button alone moves seat to exit position. This button when held for a couple of seconds and with a number button creates a memorized position, different than how the manual says to do it. Also over the last few days I’ve had multiple occasions where it did not move forward to what the last position used was when the vehicle was exited. The manual says the fob remembers that position and it is intermittent. I finished moving the seat into position by holding button 1. Only one fob has been used to date. I have no idea what to expect if my wife carries the second one.
Side pockets – They are near useless. If the front ones did not fold out I’d never be able to retrieve what I put in them. They are too small for my needs. And the ones in the rear are even worse. I can see the day coming when I hear screams from the backseat because one of my grandchildren have their hand stuck – safety issue.
Cup holders – As one person wrote, you can’t even put two cups with handles in them at the same time. The arrangement leaves no room for anything else in that area. The rear cup holders only exist if there is only two in back seat. Three kids or adults and you have no cup holders in the rear. They are needed even more with kids.
Center Console – Better use of potential space is definitely needed.
Overhead Console – There seems to be a lot of wasted space here. Certainly enough room to create sunglass storage.
• Speed Sensitive Wipers – I can’t believe they left this off. Even the lowly Malibu has them as standard equipment.
• Seats – They don’t have enough bolster to keep you from sliding around. Some say the Lacrosse has moved from grandpa styling. This seat is like they took a bench seat and cut it in two. Minimizing the amount of lumbar support dialed in does help.
• Back / Lumbar support – One mechanical is not enough to say luxury. Mechanical does overcome variances incurred because of interior temperatures with the air filled ones. But cool down or warm up was fairly quick and it takes a few minutes to settle into the seat anyway. Give me the two air bag system any day and for the passenger as well. Then you might say luxury.
• Armrest – Does not even have a center one. There seems to be enough room that one could be attached to side of console. Passenger side too. Malibu at least has them.
• Floor Mats – These seem pretty cheap. Although my Malibu had upgraded mats and trunk liner at LT2 level, they were much thicker and better quality than these. They likely aided in sound deadening. The trunk liner mat was made of same material. You only get the basic liner on Lacrosse? That says cheap.
• XM reception – I have a lot of dead spots with this car. The couple of known dead spots on the Malibu have quadrupled in size. I suspect I know the reason which is another ‘gotcha’ on GM or Buick.
• Headlamp assembly flaw – Looking at the upper edge, there is a chrome twisted rope design. It has big gaps in it like it is either starting to separate or the chroming was done improperly.
• Steering column – I’ve never seek a rake design that gives the comfort of a real tilt. Especially for entrance and exit of vehicle. Give me tilt!
• Cornering Lamps – They call this a luxury sedan. Anything rated as luxury should have them available if not standard. You don’t know how needed they are until you don’t have them. The potential damage to low profile tires makes them even more needed.
• Suspension tightness – It feels like there is play. Some spots in road induce a sway and it does several oscillations before stopping completely. Sport mode seems to stop most of it, but not all. See ‘Tires with Touring Package’ above.
• Audio Speakers – From the trunk you can see the rear speakers. That is they can easily pass any noise from the trunk. Quality systems would have the back side sealed and ported to the interior if necessary for sound pressure. The size and magnet size is not inspiring for faithful reproduction. Very unlikely they will produce good bass notes such as bass drum or bass guitar. I definitely now wonder what the bandwidth capability of the amp is.
• Today, 20 Oct 2010, the light caught the body in such a way I thought I discovered a new body line. I checked it and it is not a body line, but a deep scratch in the sheet metal accompanied by a wrinkle to both sides. Paint flows well to the scratch area. No damage to paint. This was obviously in the quarter panel prior to painting and makes me think it was done when the quarter panel was dragged to the assembly area. Robot painted right over it.
• Nav/infotainment display – Dimming of it seems to have issue. If light conditions are dim enough to bring headlights on, such as under heavy tree canopy, the display dims and becomes unreadable. I’ve turned the dash brightness control all the way up and gave it the ‘display day’ command which did not help. And the rearview camera is not able to cope with some lighting conditions giving a very poor image.
#20 of 67 Great new car experience-2010 Lacrosse CXL
Oct 21, 2010 (5:53 am)
We picked up 7/8/2010 after finding silver ext/light grey leather 18" alloy wheel model with FWD and no nav/memory seats/cameras/exotic options we wanted. The main choice in the 2010 Lacrosse was the 3.0L in the CX/CXL or the 3.6L in the CXS. Same engine family but too many big $ options on CXS for our budget.
4,000 miles and two long trips results in average highway of 27.5-29 MPG at speeds of 80 and 70, respectively. Oil change at 2000 and 4000 to get break in flotsam and getsum out of car. MPG in town approx 16 with big variations.
4400# car set up for highway with great 6-speed trans that is programmed for mileage so upshifts to higher gears are quicker than downshifts IMO. 18" alloy wheels with Michelin MXM4 all-season tires handles exceptionally well with only normal road noise on bumps and rough spots. H-arm in rear seems to keep car on the ground with stability control and well designed suspension. MAJOR point is car
uses regular fuel NOT premium that is hard to find in manufactured shortages.
Interior is OUTSTANDING in all respects IMO. Drivers aids are well thought out with information system, XM radio, A/C,bluetooth, one-year free OnStar and airbags all over the car for safety. Heated leather seats are very firm and lumbar feature makes for comfy hiway trips. Headrest does protrude to the maximum but is avoidable with electric seatback adjustment on both sides. Vision outside is helped with oversized mirrors. Front pillers are large and obtrusive compared to older cars but not newer Federal rollover compliant models.
Overall Conclusion: Excellent choice for a car in the low 30's for MSRP. most current features are available in different trim levels depending on your budget. Real grade will be long term durability and GM desire to provide top notch service for inevitable problems with all those disposable parts on a vehicle. Thanks to GM (read Lutz & Co.) for a competitive model at a good price point for most of us.
#21 of 67 Re: My issues [e_net_rider]
Nov 14, 2010 (3:15 pm)
Adding to my list:
Audio speakers - have terrible fuzzy sound on low bass notes. At one point I thought maybe something was loose and creating the resonance. The left rear door speaker sounds like it is a bad cone, like torn.
Nav/infotainment display - The system has locked up a couple of times and the only way to unfreeze it was to pullover, shutdown, & restart.
Today, the scratch - Today I happened to be looking closely at the outside mirrors and there swing function. That is when I noticed the piece of trim on passenger side to the front of mirror, not on door. It was sticking out along the top edge. It turns out that there are two pegs that clips on the piece slide on to before latching it into place with a clip along the bottom edge. They totally missed the top rear peg. I seriously doubt this would be put on by a robot and a blind person would have known it was installed incorrectly.
#22 of 67 Re: My issues [e_net_rider]
Nov 20, 2010 (3:32 pm)
ok, ONE MORE! I'm guessing the same person installed this piece as the trim piece to front of mirror R/S painted. This would be the small, about 6" long, black rubber and plastic at the bottom right corner of windshield. I noticed it was out of place, wrinkled and scrunched up. Sort of just jammed into place. It pops right out easily, but deformed for so long it won't lay straight anymore. One more small item for my list when I take it in.
The top man of sales at my dealer told me that the issues of new cars was no longer true, a myth. I know we have all heard from someone that said better to buy a year or two old. Let the original owner fix the quirks and kinks. Either that statement by sales is false or I am certainly glad I did not buy new during those years the myth developed.
#24 of 67 Seems like aging liquor.
Nov 24, 2010 (3:47 pm)
The tires have quieted a lot with almost 1700 miles. And it seems the suspension is loosening up a little or should I say getting broke in. That is, it seems to be riding better with time.
The sport mode seemed pretty harsh early on, but I also noted it stopped most of the sway induced when only one side or one tire hit a pock mark on road. The ride has softened to the point that I much prefer running in sport mode because of the better sway control.
I have no input as to if or whether the cooling weather has affected the ride.
#25 of 67 Driving in Sports Mode
Nov 27, 2010 (10:45 am)
Can anyone give me some tips on how to take advantage of Sports Mode? I use it each time I go down my hill to assist braking but when I get to flat road driving I shift out of Sport. I just cannot get used to shifting without the feel of the clutch and hearing the engine revving so I know when to shift. I find myself looking at the tach too much in the CXS when I try to use Sports Mode to guide my shift points.
I was a down-shift junkie and never had a brake job done on my Honda (or clutch job) which had 106k miles when I traded it. Although we've had an automatic in the family for a long time, my main car was always a manual.
Other than the "ride" improvement noted by e net rider, does using Sport at all improve gas mileage? What other benefits might I note if I do concentrate on using this effectively more often? I had to learn to use the clutch way back when so I could learn this system as well, I think, if it was worth it.
Aw, heck, I probably should have posted this in a different thread but I got it here now so ....
#26 of 67 Front Suspension Noise
May 07, 2011 (5:36 am)
My 2010 CSX has a front suspension "clunk" noise that is most noticible when traveling 25-35 mph over quick "wash board" type of bumps in the road. The colder the weather, the more noticible. Dealer has indicated all current LaCrosse's have this annoying issue and the GM engineers are working on a fix. Has anyone experienced this issue or been able to find a fix? Dealership is saying there is nothing that can be done at this time and there is no plan to fix.
May 09, 2011 (7:59 am)
Took my CXS to dealer this morning and the loaner is a CXL, newer than mine by a couple of months & only 3800 miles. Also rather stripped compared to mine as it only has two of the comfort packages and sunroof for options.
So first thing I notice is missing the seat automatically moving, no HUD, or rearview. The list of missing items is a bit long if you add in the items standard to CXS.
A couple of items I notice immediately is it also has the gap at the seal on the front edge of front doors and the boots falling down on the rear suspension.
Now for the road, a drive I've made quite often with mine. Road noise has almost completely disappeared. OK, there is a different suspension, but part of the reason for the hyper-strut was supposedly quiet along with improved handling. It might also be quieter from the rear since I noticed the armrest was down in the back and I seem to recall more noise from the rear when mine was down and trunck was empty. I'll check the trunk on this one closely to see if I can spot any differences.
As of now I'm strongly suspecting that most of the road noise is because of the GY (badyear) tires compared to the Michelins & not the size.
Handling: It definitley handles differently on the front end and I'll credit that difference to the hyper-strut which is intended to give better camber & caster angles as well. I'd bet the tires have some effect as well, but mostly the hyper-strut I'd bet.
I did not drive it far enough to get a good feel for the rear alone so as to compare the touring package against the standard rear suspension. Nor fast enough, such as highway, to find out if there was any sway on rear. But the overall ride seems to be more bouncey or what some might think more cushioned. I can do without the bounce since I've owned vehicles that had zero bounce except under the harshest conditions.
I am having them rotate, balance, & check alignment because I have been getting what seems like a bit of tire squirm on some surfaces lately along with passenger seat vibrating. I am not at all happy with GY tires since they seem to change handling characteristics frequently compared to other tires I've owned. Mileage, temperature, and road surface all seem to change handling over time. It will be interesting to see what happens after first rotation.
Now having covered those points, engine performance. I would have bet it had 3.0L instead of the 3.6L. Even the shifting seemed to be a bit different as to when it shifted up. A bridge on the intercoastal waterway I frequently cross is arched enough that it never has to open and going up it, with what already seemed decreased acceleration, it shifted up, maybe into third or fourth and lost all acceleration until I crested the bridge. I'm sure more foot would have changed response, but I was trying to compare the two vehicles by the habits I use. Overall, it just did not seem as peppy, but then I did not employ WOT, wide open throttle. Also I reset the MPG when I left their lot and for a run I'd been getting about 20 MPG, this one was just a tad under 23MPG. The type of mileage I was seeing before it suddenly decreased on mine. I am certainly going to watch this more closely. Also the less power might be that someone put regular in it and I only use premium, 90% of the time it is shell V-power.
Just checked the radio and the basic radio is not as good as the 11-speaker, but as I've said before the 11-speaker is a good distance from perfection. And I checked the trunk to see if it had the big holes in the rear-deck or if there were covers over the holes. The liner might be of the same quality as the CXS, but no holes in the rear-deck, but then there are no speakers in it either. If you've seen earlier posts of mine concerning this, you know I've been against having those holes present because they let noise from the trunk into the vehicle interior. Also it is an indication of cheap when you use the trunk space as a resonator to get more bass out of speakers. It does work, but then you get all the noise as well. I can tell you Bose did not do that on systems I had. Those rear deck speakers were in sound insulated enclosures so they produced true sound. The trunk could be considered a tuned cavity and will resonate more at certain frequencies which will definitely give a flutter/buzz like a bad speaker cone.
Has anyone experimented in this area to improve quality of this HK 11-speaker?
My thoughts are that maybe covers are missing from those holes in rear-deck, trunk side. I'm considering covering them, but will check to make sure there is a port back to the interior of vehicle for venting the pressure generated by the back side of the speaker cone. If it is not there, then I'll see if it is possible to add one. It would probably be best to add speaker enclosures because I'm not impressed with the material covering the lower side of the deck, that is as to how it will isolate or handle sound. And if they had to use the trunk space to get more bass out of the speakers, then they might be poor quality as well.
The other possibility is to do a total sound-proofing of the trunk. The easy part would be throwing a quality carpet on the deck, but then that leaves a lot of other space to deal with including the trunk lid. Foam is the only thing that comes to mind, especially for all the space behind the panels, over the wheel wells, etc.
All for now.
#28 of 67 Re: Front Suspension Noise [rf123]
May 09, 2011 (8:14 am)
Note that you have a different suspension under front known as the hyper-strut, on all CXS only. Not true that they all have it, I'd say, and if it is across all models then it is probably something they have in common. I do at times notice an objectionably loud clunk when turning to steering limit, especially left turn. I'd say not ready for luxury designation when comparing to some others I've driven. Or they've definitely lowered the bar.