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Ha - That is a laugh...
by rayvyn
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Nov 20, 2006 (4:52 am)
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I've owned my Hummer H3 for 13 months now and I too am a long standing believer in Toyota... I have owned my share of Toyota's so as my GM H3 passes 15000 miles I too am wondering just how long to wait before moving to a Toyota... So much so that I have spent nearly 2 full days going thru and test driving the FJs and I have finally found my answer... Never!! The FJ is a sad example for either an off roader or a replacement for an H3... Inside and out - off road or on it is handily beat by the H3... Over and over I see online comparisons that have completely incorrect data for the H3 and in the end it comes down to feel and function... Anyone can see the H3 has better function - it is written in the many specifications available (the accurate one's anyway)... But feel - there is simply no comparison... The H3 feels like a capable truck and the FJ feels like a plastic toy... I entered into my search for a more reliable car than a GM (any GM) knowing I would buy a Toyota FJ and have came away knowing I will never own a 2007 FJ... I would pay the $23,000 retail price and I will certainly never pay the inflated $30,000...
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- #8 of 39
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Re: Ha - That is a laugh... [rayvyn]
by alltorque
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Nov 30, 2006 (2:39 pm)
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Replying to: rayvyn (Nov 20, 2006 4:52 am)
Why would anyone of sound mind, spending their own money, even consider buying a Hummer - any Hummer ? Surely the most pointless road vehicle of the last 25 years. If you want to go serious off-roading you buy a Land Rover.............a proper one, not the luxury, leather upholstered hairdressers versions. If you only stay on-road buy an Audi. Next.
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Re: Ha - That is a laugh... [alltorque]
by mrjones944
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Dec 01, 2006 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (Nov 30, 2006 2:39 pm)
They dont sell the proper Land Rovers for less than a small fortune from what I have seen...same with the Audi
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Re: Ha - That is a laugh... [mrjones944]
by alltorque
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Dec 02, 2006 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: mrjones944 (Dec 01, 2006 1:28 pm)
Can't argue with that.............but surely just a small fortune is worth parting with for the best ? Over here in good old Blighty the Hummer is horrendously expensive, (it's a specialist import so just put a £ sign in place of the $ sign and you're probably pretty close).
Seems to be pretty much the norm. The Cadillac CTS 3.6 is listed over here at nearly £30k which, at 1.96$ per £ equates to around $59k. Now think of our gasoline prices at circa $6.40 per USG, (Diesel is more expensive), and you could get the impression we get screwed for our motoring pleasure - compared to USA anyway. Sorry, will stop before this turns into a rant.
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Re: FJ or H3 [monty2222]
by glennkawesch
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Dec 14, 2006 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: monty2222 (Oct 27, 2006 4:30 pm)
I would take the FJ as well.
Thanks,
Glenn Kawesch
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Re: Ha - That is a laugh... [alltorque]
by tired_old_dave
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Dec 14, 2006 (7:07 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (Dec 02, 2006 6:31 am)
If the pound was equal to the dollar and petrol wasn't taxed to kept the pound at home and you got to drive the H3, you would be with us. The way our country has been spent, you may get the chance.
Two past toyota's but there will not be a third.
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Re: Ha - That is a laugh... [alltorque]
by mrjones944
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Dec 15, 2006 (1:50 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (Dec 02, 2006 6:31 am)
I always like to hear peoples rationalization for what makes a certain vehicle the best. My truck (01 2wd Ford Ranger 4cyl) is by no means the best truck out there when all factors are thrown in but then again I never come close to reaching the limits of the vehicle. 115K miles and $200 in repairs over 6 years while still returning 25+ mpg and being able to haul anything from motorcycles to furniture. It has gotten stuck once in the snow after I flipped the thing in a ditch once but then again...I rolled it into a ditch. I would like to get an Fj or a Wrangler or hell even a Rover but then again it wouldnt be the best for my lifestyle. The most offroading I do is jumping curbs or crossing over rail crossings. So the best to me would be a small truck based vehicle (4x4 would be nice for winters), with a bed that can haul crap, and maybe a backseat so my lady would stop bothering me. The v8 sport trac is what I am looking at but the fuel economy sucks and it costs $30k for the package I want. Hell all the cars and trucks I want are $30K. Considering that the best for me is the truck I have thats paid for...until it dies 
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Re: Ha - That is a laugh... [tired_old_dave]
by alltorque
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Dec 16, 2006 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: tired_old_dave (Dec 14, 2006 7:07 pm)
T.O.D., Sorry, but really would not have any Hummer..........even if the price was attractive and fuel was cheap. I simply don't like the looks of any of them. Make a Land Rover Defender, (that's the basic army-style job, popular with farmers etc), look decidely chic.............and I reckon the LR is better off-road as well. Money no object I'd go for an Audi Q7 with a big TDi motor............or a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S if I was being really silly with the kids' inheritance. Each to his own, as they say.
We're coming to Nevada + Arizona in Jan/Feb so may see if I can blag a test drive in one just for the hell of it. May be pleasantly surprised; but I'll be surprised if I am surprised, if you see what I mean.
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Re: Ha - That is a laugh... [alltorque]
by tired_old_dave
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Dec 16, 2006 (7:04 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (Dec 16, 2006 11:39 am)
Looks like you got the real monetary message. Have never driven or ridden in a land rover. At an organic meeting many years ago, an American with many years in Australia, without a doubt said he preferred land rover to toyota.
We had a diesel as you probably know, not the one always wanted, but that cured me. Our dealer's salesman said that a lot of visiting Europeans staying at the nearby Gaylord Texan come in for visits (and test drives). He said one such person starting out on the test drive, accidentally opened the hood instead of releasing the emergency brake and stated "I've popped me bonnet". Have fun.
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Re: Ha - That is a laugh... [rayvyn]
by offroader5
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Jan 17, 2007 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: rayvyn (Nov 20, 2006 4:52 am)
FIRST OF ALL THE FJ IS 30K FOR A REASON! I DONT OWN ONE BUT FROM OWNING 3 TOYOTAS IN THE PAST THERE IS QUALITY BEHIND THE FJ. YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE OWNED TOYOTAS IN THE PAST AND NOW HAVE THE H3. YOU WILL SOON FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF GARBAGE YOU HAVE INVESTED IN ESPECIALLY IF YOU TAKE IT OFFROAD! WHEN I MEAN OFFRORD I MEAN MY BACK YARD HERE IN ARIZONA WHERE I GUARANTEE YOU WILL BE VISITING THE DEALER THE FIRST MONTH! ALL GM'S RIDE AND DRIVE GREAT THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO. JUST DRIVE A 150,000 MILE USED TOYOTA AND THEN DRIVE A 25,000 MILE GM AND YOU WILL SEE THE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!
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