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#4 of 79 Re: 2008 Ford Focus future vehicle [v_d]
Oct 26, 2006 (6:36 am)
I really don't think there's anything wrong with the older platform. My biggest gripe with the Focus is the interior and I hope with this facelift, that they'll improve the build quality of it a little. In the last Edmunds economy sedan comparison, the Focus placed 4th. However if you take into consideration the rebates, it would have been awfully close to the Honda Civic. Not bad for a vehicle that you can get for $14,000 out the door. Ford does not make money on the Focus, not even a variable profit. I expect the 2010 Focus (when the C1 platform gets redone) to be amazing. Until then, if you want a cheap vehicle that handles well, get a Focus.
#5 of 79 Re: 2008 Ford Focus future vehicle
Nov 10, 2006 (5:25 pm)
Am I reading too much into the article, or are they doing away with the hatchbacks and going the ZX2 route? Where does Detroit dig up these focus group(not this Focus group, but the market research type)members that tell them Amerikans don't want to buy hatchbacks? After all, aren't Suburbans, H2s, and Explorers all hatchbacks.
#6 of 79 Re: 2008 Ford Focus future vehicle [dan5678]
Nov 28, 2006 (1:34 pm)
And Versa, Fit, Yaris, Matrix, etc.
#7 of 79 Re: 2008 Ford Focus future vehicle [jedi787plus]
Nov 29, 2006 (7:08 pm)
This is a perfect example of why Toyota is eating Ford's lunch. While Toyata is bringing to the U.S. euro-based offerings such as the Yaris, and the economical, technology leading Prius, Ford is relying on past glory, and giving us an archaic Mustang Shelby GT 500 and retro GT40, Thunderbird, etc. Message to Bill: What legends are you creating today??? Americans are not stupid, and will continue to migrate to better Japanese and German (VW Rabbit) offerings.
Bring the new Euro Forus to America. Don't tell us it's too big. Don't tell us it's too 'upscale'. Give us a car we are ASKING to buy.
#8 of 79 You guys sound like you know the C-1 Focus
Dec 23, 2006 (12:43 pm)
It's bulky fat at 184cm (over 6 ft), not even the Lexus LS430 can match.
Stick w/ the old platform & continue w/ the old-fashion hydraulic steering for better feel. The C-170 is a collecter's item. Have you driven a Focus SVT lately. Hello, it's been out for a while.
Only the 1.6 (not available here) version of the new C-1 (MkII) Focus & Mazda3 got the conventional hydraulic steering, but still not as feel-ful as the C-170 Focus SVT's meaty steering.
As a current Mazda Protege owner, I hate to see how the new electro-hydraulic power steering ruined the fun in the C-1:
http://www.evo.co.uk/u/r0a9f0811324f75a7t/carreviews/evocarreviews/204243/mazda_- - - - 3_mps.html
"Stability at very high speed is exemplary, too. As it is on fast country roads. The chassis has bags of grip, fine body control and, amazingly, hardly any torque-steer. Trouble is, travelling quickly in the 3 MPS just isn’t much fun. At least, not by the standards of a Golf GTI or (MkII)Focus ST. And especially not by the standards of the latest Renaultsport Mégane competing in this year’s eCoty.
The steering, while reasonably direct and well weighted, feels numb and is very short on detail feedback, the engine note is persistently dull and occasionally unpleasant, and although grip and body control are good, the chassis’ act as a whole is distinctly two dimensional, the mild understeering balance being only minutely adjustable with the throttle. Ride comfort is rather fidgety, too."
#9 of 79 Re: You guys sound like you know the C-1 Focus [creakid1]
Dec 23, 2006 (5:47 pm)
Not sure about the steering issues Creak describes, but I drove the new-gen Focus in Europe over the summer and it had, dare I say, a BMW-esque steering feel.
Check this out... with Mitsubishi's EVO, and Subaru's WRX, it would be ashame if we, in the home of FORD, did not get this: http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evospyshots/204479/ford_focus_rs.html
Also note that the current gen Focus could not accomodate all-wheel drive (therefore the front-wheel drive Focus RS).
#10 of 79 Re: You guys sound like you know the C-1 Focus [lmgt1]
Dec 26, 2006 (7:16 pm)
BMW-esque steering feel? That depends on which BMW. Many are sadly numb, including the Z4 & especially the earlier ones w/ electric power steering.
In the late '90's, British car magazines dared to complain about how the E46 3-series, w/ or w/o sport package, lost the involving steering feel after the E36. So I waited for the new E90 3-series sedan, but still found its steering feel no match for the old E36. It was especially unsatisfying light at low speed. Having more feel than most other cars today, such as the Lexus IS, is still not good enough.
& watch out for the E90 coupe, which lost the sedan's hydraulic unit all together.
As if only Porsche's still got lots of steering feel today. The new redesigned Mini Cooper &, especially, the new MX-5 Miata also got complains from the British magazines when switching to pure electric steering.
So I ended up getting a mint-condition '99 E36 328is just recently. Boy, the steering was just a tad too heavy, so I had to use a thick steering-wheel cover to lighten the effort.
Now, I just want to figure out how to duplicate the C-170 Focus SVT's meaty steering effort on my '05 Focus ST. Possibly by cutting down the electric current to the power steering pump.
Nevertheless, it is quite foolish to get an AWD car from a FWD platform. 'cause the FWD platforms come w/ heavy front-overhang weight for FWD traction! If you want an AWD car, then start out from a RWD platform.
Go test drive a base 16"-wheel RX-8 auto w/ non-sport suspension, then you'll scratch your head wondering why this light-nose car handles like a race car & still rides almost limo soft!
Anyway, here's a British complain over the new C-1 Focus' steering:
creakid1, "Ford Focus 2005 release date" #67, 25 Dec 2004 11:39 am
#11 of 79 Our '08 Focus looks like another joke from Detroit
Dec 26, 2006 (7:38 pm)
So, from outside, it looks like a sedan version of the new Edge SUV?
& the styling/shape of the interior door panel, armrest, etc.... Please, give us a break. Is this a car for the new generation or grannys?
America has been very lucky that rest of the world has to end up w/ the low-tech (read no Control-blade multi-link rear suspension) Fiesta as the only narrow-width little Euro-design Ford sedan. While we still got the 169.5cm-wide high-tech C-170 Focus. & now it's turning ugly & dorky.
In fact, many countries kept the old Mazda Protege badged as Ford in production for consumers who find the new C-1 Focus too wide!
Dec 29, 2006 (10:54 am)
My gripe with the 2008 Focus is that Ford is dropping the nifty wagon version. I thought it was a nice alternative to an overweight crossover.
#13 of 79 Re: . [ehaase]
Dec 30, 2006 (6:51 am)
Are they also dropping the four door SE hatchback???