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#23 of 79 2.3's disappearance
Jan 09, 2007 (12:54 am)
is most likely also due to the ST's poor sales. Ford ruined the ST's appeal by not keeping the delicious meaty pwr steering & comfy front seats (oh yes, pwr seat-height adjustment as well!) from the SVT Focus when switching to the ST sedan!
Fuel economy wise, Focus' Mazda-developed engines already failed to match the similar ones fit into Mazda vehicles. Besides, 2.3 consumes way more fuel than 2.0 by using the inevitable energy-wasting balance shafts.
By the way, rest of the world never had a chance to use smooth & reliable Mazda-developed motors in the nimble-size C-170 Focus. & they've never heard of anyone lucky enough to own any Focus w/ a factory-installed 2.3 naturally aspirated engine.
& I told them, "Duh, every 2004 Focus sedan sold in California had a 2.3!"
Jan 09, 2007 (7:02 am)
I, also, lament the 2.3's passing. The 2.3L/hatchback was an incredible performance value (I think it was dropped over a yr ago.) However, perhaps it's for the best. Edmunds comparison-tested a Mazda3/2.3L and the fuel economy was on the low end......I don't understand why the wagon was dumped. Perhaps small families are more apt to buy compact SUVs or crossovers.
#25 of 79 Re: 2.3L Focus [walterquint]
Jan 09, 2007 (7:30 am)
Re: "I don't understand why the wagon was dumped. Perhaps small families are more apt to buy compact SUVs or crossovers."
Can you say EDGE? I think Ford doesn't want to steal any sales from the new EDGE CUV, though it's in a different class, IMO.
Ford needs to cut costs across the line and dumping the wagon is one way to do that.
#26 of 79 focus = escort?
Jan 09, 2007 (7:27 pm)
Is it me or does the 're-designed' Focus look like the 98-03 Escort series? It appears as if they simply re-skinned the old Escort, threw in a new interior and called it a Focus. They had such a winner when it [Focus] was introduced in 2000. I didn't care for the re-fresh in '04 and this new look DEFINITELY does nothing for me either. It looks like Ford has once again got it WRONG! If they were smart, they'd bring over the European model instead of sticking the U.S. with a bastard of a design.
#27 of 79 bastard of a design?
Jan 09, 2007 (10:22 pm)
Ha! Ha! This is called "Detroit-izing" guys. Only the platform is really from an import (German, actually), just like the Mazda6-platform Fusion.
The styling of the 98-03 Escort series was just a baby-sized Taurus (read jelly bean) done in America. It wasn't bad looking though, just a little unmatching at the side-window area.
The only thing cool about our '05 Focus facelift was the front end (European Mondeo), but ugly else where.
The 91-97 (U.S.) Escort was not called Escort around the world. It was really a Japanese-engineered Mazda 323 (Protege) w/ sharper styling & called "Ford Laser" in places like Japan/Australia/Taiwan. I even saw one badged as "Mazda 323" in Taiwan. The U.S. version (Escort) never shared their front-grill shape though.
In Europe, they had a completely unrelated Escort back then. In '91, some European car magazine said that our Japanese-version might just be a better car than theirs.
#28 of 79 Re: focus = escort? [cor]
Jan 10, 2007 (4:56 pm)
Is it me or does the 're-designed' Focus look like the 98-03 Escort series?
I think it's just you because I see very little resemblance.
#29 of 79 Re: focus = escort? [ehaase]
Jan 10, 2007 (7:34 pm)
It's still the most heinous re-design ever! But then again this is why they [Ford] are in their current position; they build cars for the tasteless masses. This, like many Ford products, is a car that I wouldn't even want to RENT!
#30 of 79 Re: focus = escort? [cor]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:17 pm)
"...a car that I wouldn't even want to RENT!"
Gosh, good point. As of today, my early-production '05 Focus ST is still suffering from a nauseating rubber smell coming out of the dashboard vent, which the dealer denied as a problem & called it "normal new-car smell". I asked another '05 Focus driver if he's having the same problem. & he said, "Yes, that's why I have the windows rolled down. It's a rental car anyway."
The brand-new '07 models I test drove did not have any of it, as if the dealer was full of it.
The merged-company Volvo insisted that all interior material must be allergenic free. & Ford did the same claim just a few years ago, as if they listened to Volvo.
So do give the Focus a break. The '07 Focus is still a beautiful piece of German-engineered classic built in the U.S.
#31 of 79 Re: focus = escort? [ehaase]
Jan 11, 2007 (8:27 pm)
"Is it me or does the 're-designed' Focus look like the 98-03 Escort series?
I think it's just you because I see very little resemblance."
Saying the 're-designed' Focus looking like the 98-03 Escort series is still a compliment. No, it doesn't look like it! Your memory was wrong. You should remember now -- it closely resembles the disgusting Temple/Topaz so gross looking only arrogant American car makers dare to present to the world.
When China, the highest-potential auto market in the world, originally requested the western world to help them building their "people's car", Mercedes presented a stripped-down A-class, Porsche designed a 4-dr compact from ground up, & Chrysler simply shoved the Neon at them w/o a bit of shame.
#32 of 79 Re: . [ehaase]
Jan 12, 2007 (9:34 am)
my gripe is that we don't have the european focus period.
such a better car, yes i know the business case differs but if in europe the mazda3 and the focus can be sold side by side the same should hold for the U.S. market.
also on engine sizes, it's disgusting that there's such a power mongering mentality-yes i love power and performance- in the north american market(not including canada). 1.6 litre focus handles just as well and is remarkable with gas milege.
anyway, hope this redesign signles FomCo will renew its commitment to the focus and other such cars.