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#165 of 168 Re: if my car had a diesel [ruking1]
by boaz47
Oct 07, 2006 (12:45 pm)
I think you are correct. But one of our big problems is admitting we made a mistake in the first place and are too proud to scold CARB or the EPA for allowing such a two faced sort of logic. Orwell simply had the wrong date.
#166 of 168 Re: if my car had a diesel [boaz47]
by gagrice
Oct 07, 2006 (12:53 pm)
I think you are right. He was 20 years off. CA banned the sale of new diesel cars in 2004. CARB did create a cottage industry for those willing to buy used diesel cars and bring them into the state.
#167 of 168 Better diesel fuel needed
by moparbad
Oct 08, 2006 (8:38 pm)
Better diesel fuel needed
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Toyota instead urges an over-50-cetane number minimum and aromatics levels more like those of California Air Resources Board (CARB) diesel (averaging around 21%, although the default limit is 10%).
"It is essential that diesel fuel cetane and aromatics must improve," Toyota powertrain general manager Tetsu Watanabe said here. "Fuel quality is a big problem--low average cetane number (44) and aromatics are high--35% average and 54% maximum in the U.S."
Ironically, Toyota showed that its "DPNR" test car fleet in Europe is meeting European emissions and performance goals even in countries with 300-ppm sulfur fuels.
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CA has some of the best diesel in North America, and only the highest diesel emissions vehicles are permitted to burn it.
Even with ULSD diesel, the cetane is still a problem in the US.
#168 of 168 Re: Better diesel fuel needed [moparbad]
by gagrice
Oct 08, 2006 (9:03 pm)
I think BP/ARCO ULSD is 52 Cetane minimum. That is all I ever used in my Passat TDI. It ran great. I think we are awash in regulations and lacking the manpower to enforce the laws. If Toyota tested our diesel and found it lacking someone dropped the ball. I blame the EPA and CARB.