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Vibration Defect in 2006 4WD Honda Pilots

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#37 of 86
Vibration and Noise by craigers
Feb 25, 2007 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: ksayers (Feb 24, 2007 9:19 am)

ksayers,
 
You are correct about the noise on a concrete highway. I cant even carry on a conversation without shouting. But I can tolerate the noise better than I can the Vibration in the front end. I have tried pretty much everything. It aint the tires and since it seems to be more prevalent in the AWD I can only assume it has something to do with the driveshaft to the rear tires?
 
Anyway, your advice is good for anyone looking at Pilots, be sure and test drive the car good at Highway speeds for both vibration and noise.
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Don't deep-six the Pilot yet! by sddoc07
Mar 06, 2007 (1:30 am)
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I have an AWD 2003 Honda Pilot LX. I also noticed a significant vibration, strongly transmitted thru the steering wheel, at about 75+ mph. However, I was lucky b/c as soon as I switched to Continental Contitracs, the vibration improved dramatically. Is it completely gone? No. But does it bother me anymore? No. I also want to say that while the vibration was annoying, it was nowhere near dangerous and while I understand people's feelings on this, I think it's been a bit overblown i.e. it is nowhere near bad enough to make you drive poorly.
 
Regarding the wind noise, I think this is a common feature to many Hondas. The price advantage versus Toyotas has to come from somewhere and I feel that the luxurious-like noise isolation in higher-priced cars is always missing in Hondas. It is unfortunate but quite frankly, not enough to keep most people from buying the great bargain that is the Honda Pilot.
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Re: Don't deep-six the Pilot yet! [sddoc07] by ksayers
Mar 06, 2007 (8:26 am)
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Replying to: sddoc07 (Mar 06, 2007 1:30 am)

Thanks for the reply. When we updated tires to Michelins and chucked the junk factory tires things improved. Not resolved but "better". Anyone buying a Pilot may want to mentally tack on $500 to the purchase price to help... the problem. Honda should be embarrassed about such a blunder.
 
As an FYI, the noise issue is "road noise" verses "wind noise". It is picked up via the tires through the suspension and body. That is why traveling at 70 on concrete is very, very noisy and on asphalt is tolerable.
I suppose those who really like their radio/CD's must be pondering why they bought this vehicle.
 
Consumer Reports just came out with their auto issue. Global reviews of Honda noted one consistent negative: road noise.
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Re: Don't deep-six the Pilot yet! [ksayers] by iodine8
Mar 12, 2007 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: ksayers (Mar 06, 2007 8:26 am)

I don't think this problem is just limited to Pilots. I have an '05 Odyssey and I'm experiencing a similar vibration problem everyone else is describing.
 
I had the original tires balanced several times and the problem was not solved. I just put new tires on the car and the problem still has not gone away.
 
I've recently been told (not by Honda) that the rims might be the problem. The rims are not the conventional style rim where they can put the weights on the outer part of the rim. They have to use the adhesive backed weights and I'm told these reims are very troublesome to balance.
 
The researh continues....
#41 of 86
Re: Don't deep-six the Pilot yet! [ksayers] by vtm4
Mar 13, 2007 (6:13 pm)
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Replying to: ksayers (Mar 06, 2007 8:26 am)

Ok, my 2003 Pilot suffered from the 70 mph vibration since day one. After 45 miles I decided it was time to replace the OEM tires. They were replaced with the Michelin Cross Terrain as recommended my many on various Pilot forums. First of all let me say all though the Michelins are a bit more noisy they are a far superior tire in terms of performance in snow and wet pavement. Well, to my complete surprise, the vibration has all but disappeared. Yes there remains a very minor vibration at 72 and 76 mph but it's almost indiscernible from the normal road vibration. I suspect there still is a design problem with Honda's with the poor quality tires magnifying the problem. So anyway, after 5 years the vibration is "gone" and I'm feeling better about the Pilot. Good luck with yours.
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Re: VIBRATION DEFECT IN 2006 4WD PILOTS [ksayers] by sagaliba
Mar 29, 2007 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: ksayers (Sep 20, 2006 12:23 pm)

Check this out:
http://www.hondapilot.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14481&perpage=15&pag- - enumber=1
 
It is about a pair of braces for rear subframe that are on Accura MDX but not on Pilot. Apparently, they can be retro-fitted.
 
Several people tried and claimed they did improve ride and the "70 mph vibration" problem.
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Re: VIBRATION DEFECT IN 2006 4WD PILOTS [sagaliba] by ksayers
Mar 29, 2007 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: sagaliba (Mar 29, 2007 9:17 am)

It would be great if it did... but...
 
Reading through the thread it is unclear as to what the writers believed they "fixed". The 70mph vibration appears, from most earlier posts, to be more a "front end" thing than a "rear end" thing. One poster eliminated the front drive shaft, I believe, and eliminated the problem.
 
The posters on the noted thread are focused on the read end and seem have found more value in improved handling, body sway and side wind buffeting. However, after 10 pages of resplies, I have yet to see/hear/read from anyone that adding braces actually fixed the vibration defect.
 
I really wish it did. If it did, I would install the braces, front and rear, immediately.
 
If anyone has a thread/message that indicates that installing these braces actually FIXES the vibration defect (or lessens it to a significant degree) PLEASE post it as there are many people, including myself, that would take action at that point.
 
Thanks for the post !!
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Re: VIBRATION DEFECT IN 2006 4WD PILOTS [ksayers] by sagaliba
Mar 30, 2007 (5:51 am)
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Replying to: ksayers (Mar 29, 2007 12:22 pm)

Yeah, the vibration problem they talked about is not specific to the front. I wonder if the vibrations everybody talks about are the same thing (since they are many different sources for vibrations)?
 
I myself just bought a '07 EX-L AWD, and I have not noticed the vibration problem yet. I also have not noticed posts regarding vibration problem for '07 Pilot (maybe there are there, I just haven't read it). This of course may be because there are not that many '07 out there. (Assuming they sell the same number of cars each year, only half are sold so far. Besides, it took some times for people to notice the problem and wonder onto the forums, so the percentage would be even smaller).
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Re: VIBRATION DEFECT IN 2006 4WD PILOTS [sagaliba] by ksayers
Mar 30, 2007 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: sagaliba (Mar 30, 2007 5:51 am)

Having gone through the threads on a possible rear brace fix... I ordered the $50 worth of parts, left/right braces, bolts, nuts.
 
While the improved handling, sway and wind buffeting are interesting, my focus continues to be the vibration defect. If anything else benefits, fine, but that's not my objective.
 
Parts will be here in 2-3 weeks and then I will install and report on the results.
 
Enjoy,
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Re: VIBRATION DEFECT IN 2006 4WD PILOTS [ksayers] by ksayers
Apr 08, 2007 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: ksayers (Mar 30, 2007 12:11 pm)

Ok folks, the results;
 
a. Ordered the Code 50360 Retrofit Kit from HondaAcuraWorld.com. $50.95 delivered, took about 9 days.
 
b. The installation took about 22 minutes, total. The process is:
    a. Remove the chassis bolt, replace with new bolt and tighten
    b. Place brace on chassis bolt, hand tighten nut.
    c. Install bolt on the other end of the brace (to frame).
    d. Tighten bolt and nut. Verify everything is tight to spec.
    e. Repeat on other side.
 
See the link on this forum to another forum that has pictures. E-a-s-y.
 
That's it. Really. Even the "hard side" is very easy, no real interference problems unless you have a hot muffler.
 
Road test:
 
I will ignore subjective commentary on "handling" as it is... subjective... and not my intent. I wanted the 70mph shudder gone.
 
I drove on smooth asphalt, no radio, no air conditioning, nothing to mask over the situation. I had to HUNT to find the vibration. HUNT !!! It's 95-97% gone, maybe more. If I didn't know EXACTLY where to look I would not have found it at all. Even at that, it was virtually g-o-n-e. It appears that dumping the cheap factory tires (contributed maybe 15% to the fix) and putting on the braces did it.
 
WARNING; YMMV Your Mileage May Vary
 
This fix worked on my vehicle. It MAY work on yours. No guarantee, no warranties, do at your own discretion. If you do it, you do it alone and you are responsible for anything and everything. There... my butt is covered.
 
Nevertheless, these braces have significantly improved my vehicle. It was absolutely worth the $50.95 spent. The install is EASY !! You need a 3/8" ratchet, about a 9 inch extension, a 17mm deepwell socket (11/16 may work... don't know). And plan for a half hour of time.
 
A hearty THANK YOU to those on this forum and the linked-to forum with details and photos of the kit.
 
Perhaps I should send the $50.95 bill to Honda...
 
Victory at last, regardless of the inattention of Honda.
 
I wish you all a very pleasant day.
 
Regards,

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