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#171 of 191 2002 MPV transmission failed at 95K
Feb 23, 2011 (2:16 pm)
My 2002 MPV ES with automatic transmission failed at 95000 miles. Dealer gave me two options, $2300 for another used one or $5500 for a rebuilt one from Mazda Canada. The van isn't worth $5500. It is a shame because I liked the vehicle.
Once I started using Google to do some research and realized that this was a common problem, I contacted Mazda and was told "there is no known problem leading to premature failure". I have no doubt that lies like this are simply standard procedure to not admit any liability as part of their loss control strategy (or corporate greed department). I am curious to know what "premature" means to Mazda. However, it is misguided and does cost them customers, and this will be my 2nd and last Mazda vehicle. Cars are far too expensive to be disposable -- I have had lots of cars with over 220,000 miles on them without major failures.
I saw a lot of references to potential class action law suits and the use of lemon laws but suspect that it is all stacked in favor of large companies and lawyers, so that is little comfort to consumers.
Since I have a web site that does a lot of scam busting and consumer advocacy, I am writing up a web page on Mazda transmission problems as a) a warning to consumers and b) information on this particular transmission to help with getting it repaired properly or making an informed decision to dump the thing. If anyone wants to help with links to repair information, JATCO service manuals, ignorant letters from Mazda or anything else, please post comments at http://nlcpr.com/blog/?p=1461 . Thanks and good luck with your transmission.
I decided to go for the used transmission and the 1st one the Mazda dealer installed was also a failure, and the 2nd one was also a failure, and now 10 days later the dealer is calling it a nightmare and still trying to make it work ...
#172 of 191 2001 mpv tranny issue
Feb 23, 2011 (4:03 pm)
When I start my van theres a load winening noise that seems to come from tranny. over the last 6 month and about 1500mi. the tranny was like locked and wouldnt move in reverse twice then went away. 2 other times it felt like it was slipping but then ran great. does this sound like its the tranny?
#173 of 191 Re: 2001 mpv tranny issue [etchyy]
Feb 23, 2011 (4:58 pm)
I also had a very loud whining noise when I started the car, the day before I took it in for repair. The noise lasted a few minutes and then went away, but things were not well. It was slipping, there wasn't much power making it through to the wheels and it reved up between gear changes. You definitely have a transmission that is failing, especially if reverse failed twice.
#174 of 191 Re: 2001 mpv tranny issue [peter100]
May 09, 2011 (4:30 pm)
Thanks to you all that replied. on the 2001 mpv tranny there is what looks like a water pump bolted on where the noise was comming from and sounded just like a water pump going out. can that be bought and replaced whith out the whole tranny
#175 of 191 Transmission Failed - Do We Bother To Fix It?
Jun 01, 2011 (7:31 pm)
Transmission on our 2002 MVP failed yesterday. Mechanic says it's toast. From reading this and other forums, I think we, too, experienced "shift shock" but didn't know any better to look further into it. When the transmission went, all of a sudden at 70 mph the RPM revved up really high and then the car just stopped moving.
After reading all that's here, I'm feeling really afraid to put in a "new" (used) transmission, whether from a junk yard or remanufactured. It seems too many folks here did the same and experienced the same problem with their "new" transmissions all over again.
Unfortunately, this is our only car and we are broke. So it would seem that it'd be a better bet for us to try and replace the transmission, since the van has otherwise been great. If not, we're stuck buying some crappy beater car of way less quality. But then again, like I said, after what I read here and on other blogs/forums, I'm not so sure.
Any advice/help appreciated, as we are in a very serious financial bind and we need a working car. Thanks!
#176 of 191 Get it repaired
Jun 02, 2011 (4:49 am)
I'd say get a junk yard tranny or rebuild (get quotes from places on these) and go for it. You're right, buying a beater you have nothing and it could happen again. If you get a used tranny you may still get a 12 month warranty on it. And yes, it could happen again, but you could get more years out of it. It's the best thing financially to do, simply repair it.
#177 of 191 Re: Get it repaired [skoorbmax]
Jun 08, 2011 (6:53 am)
I am a diagnostic mechanic so obviously I do all my own repairs. My MPV was 3 years old when I got it. I have owned dozens of vehicles including a Lada, Renault LeCar, Austin American, K-car, Omni, etc.... but this MPV thing has been hands down the worst vehicle I have ever owned. I have over 7 years experience as a warranty manager and I went face to face with Mazda for over a year to get them to honor their corrosion warranty for two front doors and a hood that rusted through before it was 4 years old. When they finally gave in they acted like it was out of the kindness of their heart "B.S." Corrosion warranty is a law not a gift. About 6 months ago it started doing the Stop light Hokey Poky so bad people were starring, I'm sure they thought I was reenacting the driving scene from "Evening at the Roxbury". I was getting a Cylinder 4 misfire code so I installed a new coil, then all new plugs, then repaired a vacuum leak - no better. I have tested fuel pressure, compression and spray patterns for all the injectors all good! I removed upstream O2 sensors to see if converters were plugged - they were not. All the components checked out. I suspect that it is the wire harness or PCM. I found a fellow near my home that offered me his 2003 for $100 for parts but it hasn't run in over a year, he bought his new, said it was in the shop every week when new and he gave up on it a couple years after warranty was off. With just 102,000 miles on mine I am sending it to the crusher. The junk yard will give me $100 for it if I drive it there, he said it is worth nothing because no one around here is fixing them, local junk yards have munched over half a dozen of them this spring. I said I would give it to him for nothing if he let me push the "Crush" button, were still working on that. I am quite confident that I could find the problem If I wanted to spend my summer looking for it but I hate the thing so bad that I can't even stand to look at it any more. It is a rusted out piece of ^&%$^ with a cracked windshield - oh ya there are several around here on which the windshield cracked from the bottom up for no apparent reason, the guy that offered me his for $100 said he replaced his but it cracked again 3 weeks later! Then there was the cooling fan module, there was a recall for it but local dealer said my serial # wasn't under it so I had to pay $150 for the module!! I did Ford warranty for several years and I was able to get recalled items covered for vehicles that had same failure but build dates were out of recall range. This was a bad product from a cheep Wiesel of a company that has no interest in customer satisfaction. I would love to see someone use the transmission out of mine... I think it is still good. I would be happy to let it go for $200 maybe less if I got the chance to Kick the %$^* out of it before it goes. I am keeping the tires though.
#178 of 191 Re: Latest Saga of my 2003 MPV [tcc21]
Jun 08, 2011 (7:13 am)
WOW!! $300 for the back 3 plugs! I can take my intake manifold off in my sleep! What a bunch of crooks. The intake gasket is totally reusable, I would do all 6 for $100 plus parts, all 6 should be no more than 3 hours lbr at the dealer. The grunting or creaking in the front end could also be the lower ball joint - they tend to seize, bad news is that you have to get the lower control arm as a unit... about $500 in Canada at the dealer for the part alone. I have been able to source aftermarket from same supplier that sells to Mazda for less than half, be careful though, there are cheep units that will literally pop apart.
#179 of 191 Re: changedtheir mind..not transmission [davehenry]
Jun 08, 2011 (8:15 pm)
I had the same problem with coils, but when i first complained about the van jumping they told me to drive it until the engine light came on , when I took it back for service I was told the cat converter was bad now I am very upset I have had to pay over $4,000 in repairs and now I have been told to get rid of the van I feel this is too soon to scrap a 2003 I paid $33,000
#180 of 191 Re: changedtheir mind..not transmission [brown26]
Sep 06, 2011 (6:04 pm)
If an MPV bucks at idle, it is very likely due to a major vacuum leak in the PCV hose that attaches the back of the intake manifold under the cowl. The hose makes a right angle bend (down toward the ground) immediately after exiting the intake manifold. The hose is a common point of value in all 2000-2006 Mazdas but the OE hose in 2002-2003 MPVs was particularly prone to early failure. Mazda issued a recall for these model years and replaced the part with a second generation design that typically lasts only two or three years before it fails in exactly the same place. The current part, which is a third generation design is more robust but it costs about $80 from a Mazda dealer.
MPV coils do often fail but the bucking at idle symptom screams "PCV hose leak". Do a google search for
site:mpvclub.com PCV hose vacuum leak
to find lots of threads on this topic.
If you have prior experience working on MPVs to fix this problem, the hose is easy to replace. But it is difficult the first time because your have to do everything by feel. You cannot see the hose clamp or the right angle bend unless you remove the intake manifold. At mpvclub.com, you will also find instructions on how to make a robust homebrew replace hose for $10-20.