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You are in the Acura MDX
What is this discussion about?
Acura MDX, BMW X5, SUV
#146 of 185 Re: mdx vs x5 [sanjaysdca]
Sep 08, 2010 (4:19 pm)
Sanjaya, nothing in this discussion was uncivilized. I think you're just threatened by someone who points out your incorrect facts, your lack of understanding of BMW and vehicle market segmentation. You spouted out-of-date numbers and bad data. You were wrong. Get over it.
BTW, body on frame construction is irrelevant to whether the Range Rover is a luxury SUV.
And BTW, your statement/question "Can a 4-ton high center of gravity vehicle be a drivers vehicle? I rest my case." is ludicrous. None of these SUVs weighs 4 tons (8,000 pounds). What are you talking about? I don't think you know either..
This isn't "marketing hype". The entire point of this discussion was to go beyond marketing hype get to the facts and numbers.
And the point of this discourse really is not to respond to you. It's to correct your distortions and bad data before they are picked up by other readers and become part of popular internet lore.
So here is a direct question for you. How many of the vehicles on your list have you ever taken to a track or run through a skid pad, slalom, etc? I have a LOT of experience with BMW in those areas, including SUVs. I'm speaking from experience because I have first hand knowledge how performance SUVs handle in those conditions. What's your experience with a vehicle aside from the highway?
#147 of 185 Re: mdx vs x5 [sanjaysdca]
Sep 08, 2010 (5:55 pm)
However for a comfortable people mover like X5, MDX, RX, ML or any other SUV I will talk about value same way when I talk about hiring or giving raises to my high-value employees who then go and mortgage/lease their future to get a blue propeller and THINK they bought the best.
Look at your list, sanjaysdca, you've never even owned a BMW. So how can you have a valid opinion about what's the "best"? I've owned Acura, and Audi, and BMW, and a number of other vehicles so I have direct personal experience with both makes. Acura is the reason that I switched to German cars.
This discussion attempted to focus on verifiable facts and I'm glad that someone took the time to correct the bad data that you were perpetuating.
Sep 08, 2010 (5:42 pm)
The topic is Acura MDX vs BMW X5. Let's not make it Member A vs Member B vs Member C.
SUVs and Smart Shopper
Sep 14, 2010 (9:04 am)
maybe a fresh perspective from someone in the market and reading this thread may help shed new light.
The argument over performance is a bit off base here for a number of reasons on both sides. The way I look at it is that each person values performance differently. If you want it, its a higher prioridy. Performance, however, is not just a measurement of top speed so saying that just because you'll probably never reach X published top speed you shouldn't value performance is moot. I drive a performance sedan (530i) because I want to be able to pass with ease, and take off/on ramps at higher than normal (and suggested) speeds, among other things. I like the rush. Has nothing to do with my cars electronically limited top speed.
Further, perfomrance SUVs are real and a real segment. No, they are not the same and will not stand up to performance sedans, coupes, or roadsters because they are bigger, bulkier, and heavier. That is not a reason to make a performance SUV. If you follow the logic that a performance SUV is an oxymoran, then you must only believe that the smallest pure-purpose vehicle (little roadsters I guess) are the only performance vehicles and every other vehicle labeled performance is a joke. Obviously not the case. And more obvious is the large amount of choices for performance SUVs. We here in America even race trucks at a professional level for crying out loud.
Cornering, tire quality, brake quality...on an on. If you want performance, get performance.
Someone earlier described to a tee the target market that Honda and Toyota were going after in creating their luxury brands. This is just a business fact. Someone else responded to it as an insult, stating they pay cash for all their cars or something to that effect. The fact surrounding the target market for Lexus and Infiniti is very relevant here. It couples with the parts bin, purpose built, and cost facts also. They knew they could cut costs and deliver a product that is close enough to have people on the internet argue over which is better. Some believe you "get what you pay for", others dont.
Value is a relative term. I like the tight feel and responsiveness from steering wheel to road when it comes to my vehicle. Others dont care about that but do care that their leather has a name like "napa" (< see, someone will explain to me how it feels nicer or something and Im thinking "thats nice but I dont think I'll pay extra for it over regular leather"). The bottom line is that anyone looking at an MDX/X5 (I throw the Lexus GX470/460 in here even though its technically not the same) has some decisions to make. Those that choose the japanese brand over the german brand most likely do so because of "value" reasons as it relates to how much they pay vs. what they got (and may not be related to what they didn't get). That is factual also. This is the internet. We can all claim that we are millionaires that own all these vehicles and money wasn't an issue in our decision. So be it.
#150 of 185 This is just my Fact...
Sep 15, 2010 (7:24 am)
To the person or x publisher that had an opinion about what some x publishers had to say, I feel the need to post my facts, as I feel the first paragraph was addressed to me, and If it wasn't then, I'm just gonna state my fact. I said in my statement and I'll say it again, no one will ever touch top speed in their bmw so to say you paid top dollar for your engine because it goes x amount of mph is useless which means you paid for an engine you will never use, I never stated preformance or ever stated to not value preformance, but since it was brought up, I'll state it, if preformace is what you want by all means do so, as I stated b4 it is your choice, but to bring up x amount of mph to another car is pointless unless you will touch the x amount of mph to state your opinion to be relevent, now this is just my say so, like it or not it is true.
I believe if 1 wants to address an x publishers post to read first before judgements are made, fair arguments are always good cuz 1 gets to see and try to understand another persons point of view, and try to adjust 1 or 2 things about the post, but to try to explain in judgement form about x publisher this and that is poor taste, each publisher has a right to state or post what or who they know even if it's right or wrong, fact or fiction. So be it
#151 of 185 Re: MDX vs X5 [cr1970]
Sep 15, 2010 (8:14 am)
I looked at both of these almost a year ago. I went with the X5 diesel. If you're willing to spend the extra money, you won't be disappointed with the X5d. We purchased ours and plan to keep it long-term. We've had a number of BMWs and no problems with them. Reliability has simply not been an issue. Of course, there will be those that have, but that's with every make. Acuras may be more reliable, but by how much? I LOVE my X5d. Every day I look forward to driving it. The Acura is nice, too, but not at the same level, imo. Also, I'm getting around 28-29 hwy, and 24 mixed driving, better than any of my BMW sedans I've had (5 series.)
#152 of 185 Re: mdx vs x5 [abmwfan]
Sep 15, 2010 (3:00 pm)
Wow....u r really mad. I am sure you were typing standing up and angry. And it could be possible that you took a day off to write these responses......hahahaha.......just kidding.
But I understand your concerns and the excellence of BMW. I myself drive an S4 and admire the German engineering (& its the same S4 which's been beating 335 for last few yrs now.....but no need to get into that). I tried selling it for Infiniti G37 or BMW 335, but couldn't (had terrible experience with 3 series in the past).
I've had an MDX and X5 4.8xi both. I was recently shopping for new SUV and test drove these two plus Rangerover sport and Cayenne. I just got a new Cayenne S. About the two in question, I think X5 is in the same class of MDX and I needed a step up from both. Moreover, X5 3.0 didn't feel any special to me over MDX. The electronic gadgets in MDX were much more sophisticated than X5. The I-drive system is dumbass system, period. The sound system in MDX is better and so is the roominess and smooth ride. MDX was pretty responsive but X5 is better in that, period, you wre right there. X5 had tighter body feel and yes you are right about less road noise (but not by much) but overall not a step higher than MDX. There's no one criteria which makes one SUV better than the other, its the matter of satisfaction.
You can create micro-levels of luxury SUVs (just like I did) but that's not the discussion. Read magazines, see websites, Acura is a luxury brand with one of highest technology and reliability, industry compares it to any other luxury brand, with BMW's, Porsches etc etc, they can't be blind. The discussion is which SUV satisfies your needs or wants.
Another example, X5 is a good sports german engineered activity vehicle. But why didn't you buy a Porsche Cayenne? Its better than X5 in all those driving dynamics, luxury factors, prestige and even reliability (check JD power etc etc). Just like you are trying to prove your purchase to be right, the previous guy was doing the same, again human nature. And he was right in the case of body on frame vs crossover like SUVs (in which lexus was the first------you were wrong and get over it). He bought an MDX, is happy with it and so r u with X5. Every car company has a gem model. BMW's known for 3 series not X5, Acura's known for MDX, not TSX.
And yes, I do have experience with cars and SUVs aside from highways. Race? that's what I've been doing since I started driving, so anytime.....!
I was here to see what people think about the comparisons of SUVs, not to hear brand fans.
Hope you enoy your X5 for a long time....!
#155 of 185 Re: mdx vs x5 [sanjaysdca]
Sep 17, 2010 (5:51 am)
I own both and they are totally different animals.
I have driven both in a blizzard and both served me well.
Neither of them will lose footing and they are rock solid.
You would experience lag time on an MDX, when trying to pass someone and often that would leave you second guessing and over time you would lose confidence in MDX.
X5 on other hand is in sync with your mind and is very responsive, there is no second guessing at all.
I agree X5 is expensive, but you get bang for every single buck.
MDX is good for hauling kids to practice and for Costco trips.
They both win in respective price range. I will keep my X5 4.4i any day even though its 5 years older than MDX.
Me in X5 =
Me in MDX = :-|