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#858 of 2880 Re: When? [oldranger1] by markcincinnati

Apr 23, 2007 (4:17 pm)

Replying to: oldranger1 (Apr 22, 2007 11:54 am)
I have been told -- by folks right here on this very site, that my belief in the new higher prices for the '08 CTS are unlikely.
 
I believe the new CTS will be, tit for tat, several thousand dollars more (at MSRP) than the outgoing CTS.
 
I want to be wrong.
 
The content of the new CTS as outlined and detailed, in some cases, on the Cadillac web site (the micro site) is a step up. This will cost, yes?
 
The real proof will be to configure a 2007 CTS with "all the toys" and a similarly equipped 2008 CTS -- in my case I would add the 300HP engine and AWD which I am confident will add cost, but that is not the cost I am speaking of -- I think the new CTS is more car in every way, it just HAS to cost more.
 
Again, I hope to be wrong.

#859 of 2880 Re: My problem with the CTS is [paisan] by markcincinnati

Apr 23, 2007 (4:45 pm)

Replying to: paisan (Apr 23, 2007 4:30 am)
With four Audi schools and one BMW school under our belts, my wife and I come away from these schools, er, "afraid, very afraid."
 
Perhaps ignorance is bliss, after all.
 
On day one of the most recent BMW school in South Carolina, the first exercise is "simple." The object is to fully engage the ABS to a full and complete stop.
 
If I'm lying, I'm dyin' -- even with four runs and up to four repeat tries -- about 1/2 the class either could not or would not engage ABS fully and maintain full engagement to a full and complete stop.
 
That was the first exercise the first morning. Inducing and controlling understeer? Fughetaboudit!
 
High speed lane changes -- OMG, the flying cones!
 
Yes, we ALL improved -- I was hardly the class champeen, don't think that. What was most disturbing was the apparent inability or lack of willingness to even attempt to learn how ABS (or whatever the exercise was) feels, or how to undo understeering, etc.
 
My wife and I left wondering how the rest of the population really reacts when full on breaking or understeer recovery would come in "handy."
 
It would seem to me, our conclusions or observations (many of us here, that is) in terms of driving skills are dead on.
 
We need to make getting a driving permit much more of a skills based endeavor. Not likely to happen -- yet we continue to produce more "capable" cars for drivers who don't keep up.
 
The CTS will just add to the number of capable cars driven by, apparently, people with decades old driving skills.

#860 of 2880 ... by plekto

Apr 23, 2007 (11:19 pm)

I will add that it's those small cars with manual gearboxes and not a lot of power that makes you learn those skills early on. Now, with everyone driving a monster boat-o-barge SUV, skills go out the window.
 
The truth is... how they react is.. they don't and end up crashing.
 
With the proper technique, you could manage to ride a *motorcycle* in the snow or on ice. With the wrong technique, you can fly off the road on a nice sunny day.

#861 of 2880 Re: ... [plekto] by paisan

Apr 24, 2007 (4:16 am)

Replying to: plekto (Apr 23, 2007 11:19 pm)
With four Audi schools and one BMW school under our belts, my wife and I come away from these schools, er, "afraid, very afraid."
 
As a little plug, those who are interested in discussion track days, HPDEs, racing, and just about any other motorsports or performance oriented driving, we have a Motorsports section now open! I'd really like to focus on HPDEs, Drag Racing, Auto-x etc. So c'mon over!
 
-Mike
Motorsports and Tuning Host

#862 of 2880 Re: ... [paisan] by rockylee

Apr 24, 2007 (4:19 am)

Replying to: paisan (Apr 24, 2007 4:16 am)
Mike, have you ever taken a CTS-V, for a spin pal ?
 
Rocky

#863 of 2880 Re: ... [rockylee] by paisan

Apr 24, 2007 (4:24 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Apr 24, 2007 4:19 am)
Yup, I've driven one of my student's CTS-Vs at the track. Nice car, a bit soft/disconnected steering on-track but overall a decent on-track car. If they weren't so expensive and I lived below the Mason-Dixon line it would be on my list of cars to own. Still though, throw in just a bit of rain, and I'll run all over one at the track with my 94 Legacy.
 
-mike

#864 of 2880 Re: ... [paisan] by rockylee

Apr 24, 2007 (4:27 am)

Replying to: paisan (Apr 24, 2007 4:24 am)
Yep, I suppose the Legacy, will out run one in the rain...Well until you put on 4 rain tires on the CTS-V
 
The 2009' CTS-V could have as much as 600 hp. Now that will be one impressive car and as I've said before if the car can some how maintain it's current MSRP price I might be a owner of one.
 
Rocky

#865 of 2880 Re: ... [rockylee] by paisan

Apr 24, 2007 (4:32 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Apr 24, 2007 4:27 am)
Here is the thing, with 600hp, it's really only good for one thing, drag racing. Oh and even with rain tires the legacy would be all over a CTS-V on the road course.
 
If they do sell a CTS-V with 600hp you can bet with options it'll tip the price to >$50k maybe even as high as $60k or more. Look at the SLR-V that is priced >$100k, last time I checked anyway.
 
Can anyone guess my favorite part on the CTS-V?
 
-Mike
Motorsports and Tuning Host

#866 of 2880 Re: ... [paisan] by rockylee

Apr 24, 2007 (4:41 am)

Replying to: paisan (Apr 24, 2007 4:32 am)
Here is the thing, with 600hp, it's really only good for one thing, drag racing. Oh and even with rain tires the legacy would be all over a CTS-V on the road course.
 
600 hp. is useable for more than just Drag Racing.
 
I agree in a road course the Legacy would eat the CTS-V's lunch. However on a large road with moderate turns the "V" would out power your legacy with rain shoes.
 
If they do sell a CTS-V with 600hp you can bet with options it'll tip the price to >$50k maybe even as high as $60k or more.
 
Well they cost $52K now. My best guess would me in the mid to high $50K range. Ya know maybe $56-58K seems about right.
 
Look at the SLR-V that is priced >$100k, last time I checked anyway.
 
You mean the XLR-V convertible or the STS-V ? The XLR-V starts at $79K and the STS-V strts at $77K
 
Can anyone guess my favorite part on the CTS-V?
 
I would guess the manual shifter ?
 
Rocky

#867 of 2880 Re: ... [rockylee] by paisan

Apr 24, 2007 (4:49 am)

Replying to: rockylee (Apr 24, 2007 4:41 am)
I agree in a road course the Legacy would eat the CTS-V's lunch. However on a large road with moderate turns the "V" would out power your legacy with rain shoes.
 
Yup like I said "Drag" racing.
 
You mean the XLR-V convertible or the STS-V ? The XLR-V starts at $79K and the STS-V strts at $77K
 
XLR-V convertible. According to Cadillac.com it starts at $98,300 Just "built" one with Silver color and Black leather, $100,000 on the nose.
 
I would guess the manual shifter ?
Engine and trans are nice, but they are useless without the Brembos!
 
-mike

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