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#643 of 2880 Re: We need some road tests [rockylee]
Feb 26, 2007 (3:44 pm)
I am tempted even at this early stage to give you a qualified "I agree."
Even if it is NOT THE ELLPS benchmark, it has to be a high water mark for Cadillac.
I am very interested if the price point stays at a number beginning with a $4 -- Cadillac made the STS, the one that I would've selected, impossible to configure at a number lower than one beginning with a $6, despite early on positioning statements indicating "nicely equipped" for -- bla bla bla.
So the current CTS is +$1200?, then we add $1800 for AWD? Yes? Does this mean that a high zoot CTS can be figured to cost about $3K more than a full on 2007 CTS and then add some amount for the 300HP on top of that (another how much?) to come in at $49,995? Or will a maxed out CTS actually be able to be $46,995 at MSRP?
Some seem to think these are too high.
I hope I am wrong.
It just seems the more I shop and google and figure and cypher -- the more it seems unlikely to be less than $50K by much.
No Bluetooth at outset?
Thank god I've got about 13 months to pull the trigger.
Be great to see a configurator come on line.
Cadillac emailed me and set build date starts in July.
Feb 26, 2007 (8:53 pm)
COnsidering the base CTS came in at 29,995, the new one sans AWD will be what - $32K with the 3.6 engine? It's going to be easy to get the normal version for well under 35K after rebates.
That motortrend article is full of it, though. I'll eat everyone here's shoes if the wagon is the same size as an A3. Lol. It's the size of a midsize Volvo station wagon, for goodness sakes.
It's just NOT a small car. It's not a 3 series, it's not an A4(let alone an A3!) - it's just not the size of a Jetta or Civic! What it is is the size of an E-Class, almost to the inch.
Length: 191 in. Width: 71.7 in.
Height: 58.4 in. Wheel Base: 112.4 in.
Curb Weight: 3860 lbs.
Front Head Room: 39.1 in. Front Hip Room: 57.2 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 56.4 in. Rear Head Room: 37.8 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 56.1 in. Rear Hip Room: 57.2 in.
Front Leg Room: 41.9 in. Rear Leg Room: 35.6 in.
Luggage Capacity: 15.9 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 16 cu. ft.
Base Number of Cylinders: 6 Base Engine Size: 3 liters
Base Engine Type: V6 Horsepower: 208 hp
Max Horsepower: 3800 rpm Torque: 388 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 1600 rpm Drive Type: RWD
Turning Circle: 37.4 ft.
That's within tenths of an inch in fact, to the upcoming model.
Cadillac needs to bring the BTS over here - even if it's an utter toad. Seriously. To force the magazines to bump it up a notch into the midsize luxury sedan market if for no other reason.
#645 of 2880 Re: We need some road tests [markcincinnati]
Feb 26, 2007 (8:56 pm)
Before everyone jumps on Mark for overestimating the price, remember he won't even look at a car unless it has every option available on it.
The Pontiac G8 is supposed to have about 17.5 cu ft of trunk space, for those who want American RWD and more than a tiny trunk. Looks like Cadillac could have added a few inches to the CTS and STS to get them over 13.8.
Feb 26, 2007 (9:01 pm)
It has fold-down seats, though, for the bigger items, and a pretty wide opening for the trunk.. I think it'll be fine.
#647 of 2880 Re: We need some road tests [markcincinnati]
Feb 26, 2007 (9:13 pm)
$46,995 at MSRP? Loaded out w/ AWD I would expect a MSRP give or take $500 bucks. Then it all on you to work them down. $3-4K off I wouldn't think would be unrealistic pal.
Before you buy come talk to me if you'd like. If your local dealers are to proud of them to sell them at a reasonable price. then we need to find you another dealership. We can't do any of this until final prices are released.
#648 of 2880 Re: We need some road tests [rockylee]
Feb 27, 2007 (5:51 am)
STS's were "routinely" -$9,000 from MSRP then there were low low low money factor leases, inflated residuals and soon the MSRP of the STS and the TCO were down in Chevy land around here.
We all want a bargain basement Bimmer?
Many of the 2007 CTS's "on the lot" are already at $39K -- these have no nav systems and other than the optional extra cost paint and a sunroof, they seem pretty much equipped as most mfgr's would call "premium."
Yep, I'd order "Premium, Sport, Technology and Cold Weather Packages on my AWD 300HP version." The thing is, using BMW's as a "comparison" -- despite higher MSRP's, they often can be had at lease for prices that apparently take advantage of high residuals and more or less reasonable money factors. My wife's BMW at nearly $48K is $581/mo 36 months, 45K miles, $250 down.
The "comparably" priced cars from America (even Cadillac) often (tit for tat MSRP) are over $100 higher (and no free maintenance.)
Some people claim BMW is not a buyer's car, that the BMW leasing arm's sole purpose in life is to flood the market with Bimmers (75% of them are leased according to our dealer, #10 in the US.)
So where does that leave GM? Discountarama? 0% money factors/interest rates, artificially high residuals making early lease terminations virtually impossible?
One reason, besides a desire to "always" have a young vehicle, that BMW regularly is the sales leader in the LPS world, appears to be they often are the lower cost vehicles -- then I guess, you add badge appeal (for some.)
There are certainly folks HERE that would argue in favor of the CTS (and I do believe they are sincere.)
Yet, the comparisons to the E class and 5 series and I assume A6 class are continuing. Perhaps this comparison is to justify the acquisition of the CTS "as if to say."
I wonder, however, if "the collective we" shop for the new CTS and a BMW 5 series can be had (comparably equipped) for the same lease deal, how many people will still go for the 'merican car?
My A6 was $53,286 -- the lease is $640/mo 36, 45K $350 out the door, sec dep waived, bla bla bla. A Chrysler 300C for $39 months is more and requires a 10% of MSRP "cap cost reduction." Hmmm. The $53K German is "cheaper" than the $39K German/American. Why bother?
Sure sure, check out the "current offers" section and the 300 may come in less (but for 12,000 miles per year, for 42 months with no money down, etc.) The foreign car still seems more attractive.
Now, to those of you (few or many) who are not in favor of leasing for whatever reason, please consider if it is less per month to lease and the lease is made up of cost of money, residual over time and MSRP (and selling price) that the car that costs the least to lease is very likely the car that will cost the least to buy. 0% GM financing is nothing to be sneezed at, and it is a condiseration.
But my trusty old accountant still says, "buy that which appreciates, rent that which depreciates." So, with that, I wonder if the new BMW 5-er at thousands more MSRP won't be an easier sell than a Cadillac CTS if history repeats itself.
I would strongly consider a 5 for $599 month vs the CTS at a like lease. You may or may not concur.
The inherent goodness of the Cadillac needs, perhaps, some incentives. . .perhaps.
#649 of 2880 Re: 08 CTS size vis a vis 530Xi [sandiegan1]
Feb 27, 2007 (7:05 am)
A good looking CTS wagon at a $10K discount would steal away lots of more profitable SRX sales.
#650 of 2880 Re: We need some road tests [rockylee]
Feb 27, 2007 (7:15 am)
I might take you up on that, Rocky. One of the joys with domestics is that their are plenty of dealerships. We only have one Caddy dealer in Austin. However, I can drive any direction to find another dealer within 50-100 miles.
#651 of 2880 Re: 08 CTS size vis a vis 530Xi [biker4]
Feb 27, 2007 (9:20 am)
Remember, the big discounts on the current CTS are partly because of the coming 2008. My friend just got an '06 for $9000 off, but they weren't wanting to talk anything like that on an '07, and I bet it'll be a while before '08s see major discounting, what with all the demand this forum's creating!
Also - didn't I read somewhere the wagon would be export only?
#652 of 2880 Re: 08 CTS size vis a vis 530Xi [texases]
Feb 27, 2007 (11:28 am)
You are 100% correct about the discounting. I anticipate this car getting great reviews and I dont see dealers being willing to offer great deals for many months after launch.
The coupe and wagon have NOT been confirmed in any way, shape or form. If they happen they may not both be sold here since wagons arent all that popular in the states.