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You are in the Cadillac CTS/CTS-V
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Cadillac CTS-V, Cadillac CTS, Sedan
#435 of 2880 Re: 1487... [sammc123]
Jan 23, 2007 (8:34 pm)
Which Cadillacs "sell less"?
The Escalade sells a whopping 62,000 per year--by miles and miles the best sales in its class.
The CTS jumped 100% in the second year and stayed there throughout its entire run--unheard of for any car.
The DTS is Cadillac's best-selling car, period.
Nobody argues that the interior design of the CTS was good--although it sold exceptionally well despite that.
What I take exception to is your hyperbole.
Everything you described in your answer is subjective.
What is that?
"Hard and cheap buttons"?
All buttons are hard. Cheap ones are rubbery.
And just about any dashboard is inferior to an Audi A4.
The materials in the CTS are expensive and first rate. The execution is poor.
In any case, it's all moot, because despite that, people are buying it in droves, and even more will buy the 2008 model.
And nobody would say the new Camry, Tundra and RAV-4 interiors were "miles better" at all.
The long-term Editors at Edmunds have been complaining about the interiors of those Toyota models for weeks now (not to mention the FJ Cruiser interior).
Lessen the hyperbole. Nobody needs to be told what the CTS's problems are. They have been pointed out over and over and over again since 2003. It's still a very good car nonetheless, and this new one should be even better.
#436 of 2880 Re: 1487... [sammc123]
Jan 23, 2007 (9:09 pm)
Sit in an Audi and you will understand the difference.
sammc123: I took your advise, and went and sat in an Audi A6. Didn't do it for me. For some reason, I didn't get as inspired as you did when you sat in one. Don't know what it is.
I couldn't help but notice that it did have plastic parts though, and it was hard plastic, and it didn't look cheap. You were right. I think you should buy an Audi A6.
#437 of 2880 Re: 1487... [readerreader]
Jan 23, 2007 (9:13 pm)
Couldn't have said that better myself.
Also, please tell me what buttons or controls in a Deville/DTS were shared with a Cavalier? A wiper stalk maybe? Check a Corolla/Camry and a Lexus and u'll probably find the same thing.
#438 of 2880 Re: Pricing? [rockylee]
Jan 23, 2007 (9:17 pm)
rocky: I set my budget for $44,117.96, TTL, OTD. That's with all the options except the sunroof. May be a little over. That being said, I think I'm within 1K give or take.
#439 of 2880 Re: 1487... [sammc123]
Jan 23, 2007 (9:21 pm)
PS- The A4 has the most out-of-date boring plain jane interior in the ENTIRE class. The Nav system is stuck way downlow in the radio section with a terrible interface on the right side of the faceplate and whole cockpit follows the same theme as the last generation A4 that came out in '95 or so. Other than the IS, I can't think of any other entry level luxury sedans on sale that have a sophisticated or advanced looking design. C Class? Nope. 3 series? As basic is they come (same as the A4). G35? maybe but I heard it's better in photos than in real life.
#440 of 2880 Re: Pricing? [albook]
Jan 23, 2007 (9:39 pm)
I know about the "V" factor but I wasn't talking about that. I look at the "V" as like a whole other car.
IMHO a fully loaded CTS shouldn't cost over $45K give or take a grand. The CTS-V I expect to be around $55K give or take a grand.
#441 of 2880 Re: 1487... [readerreader]
Jan 23, 2007 (9:42 pm)
I couldn't agree with your post more.
#442 of 2880 Re: Pricing? [thebug]
Jan 23, 2007 (9:45 pm)
Well I don't think you will pay even that for it if you are savy enough and willing to cross shop dealers in a 500 miles rdaius. thebug, you should be able to at least get $1500 off. If I bought a 08' CTS I would really have a leg up on everyone with my GM discount.
#443 of 2880 Re: Pricing? [rockylee]
Jan 23, 2007 (10:47 pm)
rocky: That's my cash reserve going in. You can bet I plan to deal with them. I got 4k knocked of the 03 CTS purchase during negotiations. This time I'm going in with a trade. That makes the dealing a little more aggressive (that's the fun part) and I can work it. I've been practicing at dealers where I have no plan to purchase. That process gives you a leg up on the latest sales BS (bologna sausage).
#444 of 2880 Re: Pricing? [thebug]
Jan 24, 2007 (1:17 am)
Okay.......Do your homework and get a sound price and walk in their and stick to your guns. It's better to walk than be hosed. I guess I shouldn't worry as you've bought so many cars in your lifetime.