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#2755 of 2757 $$ millions Re: why? [dmathews3] by rayainsw Oct 02, 2009 (6:26 am)
Replying to: dmathews3 (Oct 02, 2009 4:08 am) The development, testing & certifications costs would be in the millions, I am sure. True enough. I don’t believe that any of the Detroit 3 can do anything for less than millions.   OTOH: The development costs for the CTS-v, MSRP only [ only? ] about $12K over the loaded \ performance oriented CTS, must have been many, many millions. For a much more limited market than I see for a n/a V8 CTS such as I am proposing. My point is that the R&D costs for this would be MUCH smaller than they were for the CTS-v. Production costs would clearly be much lower than the CTS-v, as well. So GM \ Caddy ought to be able to actually fatten margins here.   If GM needs anything [ nearly ] as much as increased sales, seems to me that is: Stopping the erosion of margins.   The coupe & wagon versions of the CTS likely also cost way more than this would cost.   I just think that those who really want a BMW M5 killer will still buy the CTS-v. I seriously doubt there would be much, if any, cannibalization of sales here from the CTS-v.   But those who want more HP & TQ than that DI V6 – [ not a bad motor, but does not provide quick acceleration & certainly does not provide the effortless delivery of low end TQ that many prefer ] but who really don’t need the CTS-v’s 12 second quarter mile times and they would be pleased to give up a significantly smaller incremental loss in MPG, compared to the CTS-v & they would be happy to pay a much smaller GGT - in order to drive something like my hypothetical n/a V8 “CTS GT”.   It would offer much better acceleration than any V6 CTS, and not nearly as much increase in cost as the step up to a CTS-v. My sense is that the top line DI V6 CTS [ again, I consider it a nice car & good effort by Caddy ] just is not capable of delivering the acceleration typically expected by many [ including me ] of a $40K+ Luxury Sport Sedan.   The fuel economy difference is actually a significant portion of the ‘business case’ I’d make here. CTS DI auto = 18 \ 27 CTS-v auto = 12 \ 18 My ** GUESS ** is that a CTS GT could likely be closer to G8 GT or Camaro SS \ V8 automatic levels: Camaro SS automatic = 16 \ 25. My G8 GT = 15 \ 24. That would be rather noticeably better [ 25% better for city and 33%+ better for hiway ] than the CTS-v. That’s a lot, seems to me.   This would also bring Caddy more nearly into line with the scope of GM \ Chevy’s Camaro – versions with V6, V8 and [ it now appears likely, in a couple of years ] a ‘Top Gun’ version = supercharged V8, likely to be called the Z28.   In addition to BMW [ see above ] Mercedes offers 6 cylinder versions of their comparably sized sedans, a normally aspirated V8, and an [ AMG branded ] Super Sedan.   If Caddy’s strategy for their sedans is Sport \ Performance, as well as Luxury – then I just think they ought to do something like this – to complete the CTS line’s powertrain offerings. And I do think a realistic business case could be made.   YMMV. - Ray No, certainly NOT holding my breath . . .
#2756 of 2757 Re: why? [rayainsw] by sevenfeet0 Oct 09, 2009 (12:03 pm)
Replying to: rayainsw (Oct 01, 2009 5:14 am) I had thought that another CTS (CTS Sport?) with a hotter engine between the CTS-V and the 3.6 DI wouldn't be a bad thing. The problem is that once you compare it to a BMW 550i at $61K, you're already in CTS-V pricing territory. So for the same money, you could have a vehicle that completely spanks the 550i (the CTS-V already bests the M5 in every review I've ever seen). Combine that with the reality of GM and the approaching new CAFE standards. GM terminated the new V8 Northstar awhile ago (that was all but finished). You could drop in the 400 HP OHV Chevy V8 used in the Corvette and the Camaro but again, proper pricing would be an issue and it wouldn't help GM's overall CAFE scores. But it's a cheap engine and plentiful at GM. I'm sure somebody has thought about it long and hard.   Another alternative would be making a turbo version of the 3.6 engine. You could probably hop that up to 400 HP and get better mileage than the Chevy V8. But the MPG difference might not offset the price increase that engine would cost over the Chevy smallblock.   Could either scenario happen? Sure. Will it happen? I dunno....odds are against it right now.
#2757 of 2757 '08 navigation update by bingoman Oct 09, 2009 (8:13 pm)
I just received the '09 navigation system update disk for my '08 CTS. Here's the rub; when I tried to use the disk to update my nav system it asked for an authorization code before it would begin the update. There was no authorization code anywhere on the disk, in the case or on the shipping papers. I called Helm, the company that ships the disk for GM. They plead ignorance of anything other than collecting cash and shipping. I called the dealer, their tech said he knew nothing of an authorization code.   I am leaving on a extended trip from L.A. to Austin Texas this weekend, so I will not be able to do anything until I return, as even if I find out what to do, with a three hour estimated update time I will not risk a system failure while I am out of town on a trip.   If anyone has had experience with this, or knows anything about this, I would appreciate any information you can provide about the mysterious authorization code, or how to obtain it, or whom to contact about it.

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