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#2750 of 2880 New 2008 CTS DI owner
Sep 09, 2009 (6:47 am)
I just bought a used 08 CTS DI and generally love the car. The moonroof is making a constant sound when I drive it. It isn't leaking, it just sounds like it's open when it's not. The back right speaker also sounds like it's blown or rattling which shouldn't happen with a Bose sound system. The nav squeeks when I turn the car on and it raises up out of the dash, but only does it when it's hot out. The car is at the dealer right now being looked at.
I was just wondering if anyone else has had these issues? I saw someone had a leaking sunroof, did it make a noise before it started leaking?
Thanks for your help! This is my first cadillac so any advice/expertise would be appreciated!
Oct 01, 2009 (5:14 am)
Why is there no CTS between the 3.6 DI at just over 300 HP, but only 273 TQ
and the CTS-v at 500+ HP & TQ??
Or [ perhaps more relevant ] why shouldn’t there be?
Particularly with the demise of the ‘other’ V8 RWD GM Sport Sedan – the G8 GT that I now drive – there really seems to be an opportunity here for Caddy to further expand the CTS line. And generate more sales – in a segment that they appear to be aiming at: The Premium Sport Sedan market.
I firmly believe that a CTS with the upgraded wheel & tire package and suspension upgrades [ as available on the ‘regular’ CTS ] with either the corporate 6.0L or 6.2L V8 and 6L80 automatic trans. and a price between the top \ ‘fully loaded’ CTS and the CTS-v would sell. And not be immensely expensive or time-consuming to develop, engineer & start producing.
A fully loaded [ everything except AWD ] CTS is almost $53K.
[ See below ]
. . but, it seems to me that a well equipped, performance oriented
[ and minus sunroof & navigation system ]
CTS at just under $50K
plus a real “American” V8 –
but still priced well below the CTS-v,
would actually sell quite well.
The price gap between that ‘performance oriented’ CTS $49K-ish and the CTS-v at $61K is [ obviously ] about $12K.
And I expect that a [ relatively ] off-the-shelf drivetrain transplant \ upgrade to a 360 HP 6.0L V8 or 400 HP 6.2L V8 and big TQ could be accomplished with [ again, relatively ] minimal effort.
And an MSRP bump of no more than $5K or $6K.
And the result of implanting a normally aspirated V8 into the CTS ought to be a very quick
[ noticeably quicker than the CTS V6 DI that I test drove ]
& well-balanced RWD performance sedan.
With some level of sophistication - above my G8 GT.
It would likely require a lower GGT than the CTS-v,
would deliver better ‘real world’ gas mileage.
I believe that it could have an MSRP of $54K to $55K
- and an actual transaction price around $52K or $53K.
The 2010 BMW 550i [ V8, 360 HP ] MSRP w/dest. = just over $61K.
Would this constitute a ‘cut rate BMW’?
Regardless - This would seriously interest ME.
[ For one. ]
As an eventual replacement for my G8 GT . . .
Someone tell me the flaw[s] in this idea?
Happy, for now, with the G8 GT - but . . .
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2010 Cadillac CTS
Premium 4dr Sedan (3.6L 6cyl 6A)
+ Y43 Summer Tire Performance Pkg
& destination =
#2752 of 2880 Re: why? [rayainsw]
Oct 01, 2009 (5:54 pm)
I think the main problem is that such a car would wipe out most of the sales of the CTS-V.
#2753 of 2880 Re: why? [kplacer]
Oct 02, 2009 (3:21 am)
[ the apparent 'target' here ]
certainly seems to do just fine
with 2 different 6 cylinder 5 series sedans,
[ comparable to the GM LS2 \ LS3 ]
and an M5...
NOT a Marketing Genius.....
#2754 of 2880 Re: why? [rayainsw]
Oct 02, 2009 (4:08 am)
Another thought, in order to put in another engine or even a varation of one of the current engines they have to jump through all the paperwork etc. with the EPA etc. plus testing which I bet could/would cost millions and for what? Just a small minority of people would be interested in this as more and more are going to mpg and it would also go against their mpg record that must be over so many mpg for the company. So don't hold your breath.
#2755 of 2880 $$ millions Re: why? [dmathews3]
Oct 02, 2009 (6:26 am)
The development, testing & certifications costs would be in the millions, I am sure.
I don’t believe that any of the Detroit 3 can do anything for less than millions.
OTOH: The development costs for the CTS-v, MSRP only [ only? ] about $12K over the loaded \ performance oriented CTS, must have been many, many millions. For a much more limited market than I see for a n/a V8 CTS such as I am proposing. My point is that the R&D costs for this would be MUCH smaller than they were for the CTS-v. Production costs would clearly be much lower than the CTS-v, as well. So GM \ Caddy ought to be able to actually fatten margins here.
If GM needs anything [ nearly ] as much as increased sales, seems to me that is: Stopping the erosion of margins.
The coupe & wagon versions of the CTS likely also cost way more than this would cost.
I just think that those who really want a BMW M5 killer will still buy the CTS-v. I seriously doubt there would be much, if any, cannibalization of sales here from the CTS-v.
But those who want more HP & TQ than that DI V6 –
[ not a bad motor, but does not provide quick acceleration
& certainly does not provide
the effortless delivery of low end TQ that many prefer ]
but who really don’t need the CTS-v’s 12 second quarter mile times
and they would be pleased to give up a significantly smaller incremental loss in MPG, compared to the CTS-v
& they would be happy to pay a much smaller GGT -
in order to drive something like
my hypothetical n/a V8 “CTS GT”.
It would offer much better acceleration than any V6 CTS, and not nearly as much increase in cost as the step up to a CTS-v.
My sense is that the top line DI V6 CTS
[ again, I consider it a nice car & good effort by Caddy ]
just is not capable of delivering the acceleration typically expected by many [ including me ] of a $40K+ Luxury Sport Sedan.
The fuel economy difference is actually a significant portion of the ‘business case’ I’d make here.
CTS DI auto = 18 \ 27
CTS-v auto = 12 \ 18
My ** GUESS ** is that a CTS GT could likely be closer to G8 GT or Camaro SS \ V8 automatic levels:
Camaro SS automatic = 16 \ 25.
My G8 GT = 15 \ 24.
That would be rather noticeably better
[ 25% better for city and 33%+ better for hiway ]
than the CTS-v.
That’s a lot, seems to me.
This would also bring Caddy more nearly into line with the scope of GM \ Chevy’s Camaro – versions with V6, V8 and
[ it now appears likely, in a couple of years ]
a ‘Top Gun’ version = supercharged V8,
likely to be called the Z28.
In addition to BMW [ see above ] Mercedes offers 6 cylinder versions of their comparably sized sedans, a normally aspirated V8, and an [ AMG branded ] Super Sedan.
If Caddy’s strategy for their sedans is Sport \ Performance, as well as Luxury –
then I just think they ought to do something like this –
to complete the CTS line’s powertrain offerings.
And I do think a realistic business case could be made.
No, certainly NOT holding my breath . . .
#2756 of 2880 Re: why? [rayainsw]
Oct 09, 2009 (12:03 pm)
I had thought that another CTS (CTS Sport?) with a hotter engine between the CTS-V and the 3.6 DI wouldn't be a bad thing. The problem is that once you compare it to a BMW 550i at $61K, you're already in CTS-V pricing territory. So for the same money, you could have a vehicle that completely spanks the 550i (the CTS-V already bests the M5 in every review I've ever seen). Combine that with the reality of GM and the approaching new CAFE standards. GM terminated the new V8 Northstar awhile ago (that was all but finished). You could drop in the 400 HP OHV Chevy V8 used in the Corvette and the Camaro but again, proper pricing would be an issue and it wouldn't help GM's overall CAFE scores. But it's a cheap engine and plentiful at GM. I'm sure somebody has thought about it long and hard.
Another alternative would be making a turbo version of the 3.6 engine. You could probably hop that up to 400 HP and get better mileage than the Chevy V8. But the MPG difference might not offset the price increase that engine would cost over the Chevy smallblock.
Could either scenario happen? Sure. Will it happen? I dunno....odds are against it right now.
#2757 of 2880 '08 navigation update
Oct 09, 2009 (8:13 pm)
I just received the '09 navigation system update disk for my '08 CTS. Here's the rub; when I tried to use the disk to update my nav system it asked for an authorization code before it would begin the update. There was no authorization code anywhere on the disk, in the case or on the shipping papers. I called Helm, the company that ships the disk for GM. They plead ignorance of anything other than collecting cash and shipping. I called the dealer, their tech said he knew nothing of an authorization code.
I am leaving on a extended trip from L.A. to Austin Texas this weekend, so I will not be able to do anything until I return, as even if I find out what to do, with a three hour estimated update time I will not risk a system failure while I am out of town on a trip.
If anyone has had experience with this, or knows anything about this, I would appreciate any information you can provide about the mysterious authorization code, or how to obtain it, or whom to contact about it.
#2758 of 2880 Re: Faster than CTS DI. [rayainsw]
Dec 09, 2009 (5:30 pm)
I agree with you that there should be a performance CTS between the CTS DI and the CTS-V. Even if the V6 could be bumped up to 350HP, that would be enough for those who want a little more than standard, but don't want the cost, MPG insurance, etc issues of the V.
Seeing no dealers stocking the FE3 option, there must not be much of a demand for more performance in the CTS. I see lots of Luxury versions in stock, just to keep the cost down. A 2010 CTS is now about $8,000 more than a simliar equiped 2007, so sticker shock (besides economy) is hurting CTS sales, along with the low lease residual of 42% (10k), compared to 56% in 2007.
It looks like the CTS Coupe will be more perf oriented and geared towards those who want more sport than the CTS Sedan. Hopefully they will have some more HP in the Coupe, with FE3 and at least the Recaro seats optional. I feel Cadillac should do their own version of a Recaro seat and cut the cost of that option.
#2759 of 2880 Navigation update authentication code
Dec 09, 2009 (5:56 pm)
I purchased an update for my 2008 CTS navigation system, but the Authentication code, provided with the disk, which is required to start the update was incorrect. I have been unable to get a satisfactory solution from any arm of GM that I have called. The people who provided the disk say they only sell it and do not know anything about an Authentication or access or activation code.
My dealers electronic tech called and was told the code could only be provided to the owner. I called twice and both times was cut of while on hold while someone was researching the problem. No one called me back although both had asked me for my number before putting me on hold.
I am getting very frustrated with Cadillac. I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to deal with this subject. A phone number for someone high enough in management or sales to bring some pressure on this situation would also be appreciated.