Last post on Mar 14, 2013 at 8:16 AM
You are in the Cadillac CTS/CTS-V
What is this discussion about?
Cadillac CTS-V, Cadillac CTS, Sedan
#214 of 2880 Re: 1487 [merc1]
Jan 10, 2007 (10:41 am)
"This and the uncontrollable urge to drag MB into everything GM, its really tired 1487. Nobody mentioned MB, thats your problem."
That was the best part of your response. I just mentioned MB since you have held them up as the standard by which CAdillac and the rest of the luxury field should be judged. Hey, if you're not into MB anymore I apologize.
"People have heaped criticism on the old car for years and yet when I said anything along those same lines I didn't know what I was talking about. "
Exactly, I agree with that last part 100%. Other than the interior what major criticisms are you talking about? You continue to infer that the CTS was trashed by the press and I am in denial but you don't back that up. The media praised the CTS for its daring design, its autobahn honed handling and steering and the availability of a manual tranny. When it came out the 3.2L engine was criticized for being a little weak but that was addressed for 2004 MY with the 255hp engine. After that most complaints focused on the odd center stack design of which I have never been a fan. Please provide something other than your personal opinion if you are going to continue to say the CTS is such a bad car.
"And I'm telling you that such a distinction doesn't mean squat because "American sedans" aren't the benchmarks in their classes and in most cases they're bottom feeders "
Bottom feeders? LOL, I like that one. The Z06 is a bottom feeder? The Aura is a bottom feeder? The STS? wow.
The CTS is the best non V cadillac ever. How about that statement? Oh wait, can't say that until the magazines drive it because it may only look good "on paper" as GM pulls the wool over our eyes once again.
#215 of 2880 Re: Enough [ggesq]
Jan 10, 2007 (10:44 am)
chavis was correct about the 3 series. It has better handling and 30 more lb-ft of torque in its top 6 cylinder engine. However, the base CTS outguns the base 3 series.
The 3 series doesnt have more space, offer more value or have a superior interior design to the new CTS. If you want track ready handling and want a compact luxury car that costs well over $40k with options than the 3 series cant be beat. If you are more of a G35/TL kind of guy than the CTS is right in the mix.
#216 of 2880 Re: 2008 CTS [thebug]
Jan 10, 2007 (10:53 am)
I agree that the current CTS interior is perfectly functional and is actually high quality. It was a little austere for my tastes but the nav screen improves things a bit, especially because its so large and replaces the large blank area in the middle of the stack.
The critics that slammed the CTS design when it came out where way off in their predictions. These are people who praised lame Lexus and tired MB designs and they thought Cadillac was being too risky by using the A&S theme. In other words they thought a "true" luxury car needed to look staid to be accepted. What they failed to realize is that Cadillac had done conservative and tried to have their products look like Americanized Lexuses and it didn't work. They had to be bold in order to draw attention to their new products. To funny part is that Lexus, Audi and BMW all revamped their stale styling (to varying degrees of success) after Cadillac launched A&S. I think Cadillac's design direction is the best out of the brands I mentioned. The Audi grille is growing on me, but I still do not like the Bangle 5 series and L-finesse has left me bored at Lexus. I have seen several LS460s and it is much more anonymous in person than it is on TV with the optional 19" rims. Its another conservative evolution of the same old LS design.
#217 of 2880 2008 CTS Availability?
Jan 10, 2007 (11:06 am)
When is the 2008 CTS going to be available? It's been said from early summer to December?
#218 of 2880 Re: Enough 
Jan 10, 2007 (11:07 am)
"However, the base CTS outguns the base 3 series."
The base 328i has 230hp and the base CTS has 210hp.
"The 3 series doesnt have more space, offer more value or have a superior interior design to the new CTS."
I think your spot on about space and value but the subjective opinions about exterior and interior design will never be agreed upon by everybody.
#219 of 2880 Re: 2008 CTS Availability? [piason]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:25 am)
Last Saturday, the local dealer told me that they would start taking orders early summer about June. In GM terms, that may be August or September. I want a November purchase date, so it works out for me.
He said an order will take about eight weeks, so I'm looking at September. Want everything except the sunroof and nav. I just hope they are not attached to items I really want/need.
#220 of 2880 Re: 2008 CTS [robbieg]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:29 am)
You are dead on with the pricing. The CTS interior/exterior design is excellent but if the price remains the same as the 2007 CTS, GM will have a winner. If the price goes up 1K most buyers will stay with the imports (Lexus IS250/IS350, G35, MB C class, BMW 3 series).
#221 of 2880 Re: 2008 CTS Availability? [piason]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:37 am)
the most common answer is "Fall"; however, based upon past practice and the need to get this car out sooner than later, I bet we will be seeing them at dealers by late July/early August. We still need to read some road tests before the first sales. All of the posts with name-calling, comparisons to foreign brands, etc are useless until we have some tests.
#222 of 2880 Re: 2008 CTS Availability? [pearl]
Jan 10, 2007 (12:02 pm)
The only way that I would not purchase the 08 CTS, is if it totally sucks, and I doubt that, that will be the case. I expect that it will cost a little more. Since the debut of the CTS back in 2002, we (the buying public) have asked for improvements. Rule of thumb, if a pound of beef cost $1, then 100 pounds will probably cost $100. It's a fact of life.
Improvements/upgrades cost money, and I guess we get to pay for the upgrades. I expect the base price to go up at least 1K through natural inflation. And, I think they know the price range for the buying audience of the CTS very well by now, thus (if they're wise) the price should be placed within their reach.
#223 of 2880 Re: 2008 CTS Availability? [pearl]
Jan 10, 2007 (12:09 pm)
"All of the posts with name-calling, comparisons to foreign brands, etc are useless until we have some tests."
Agreed. It is fascinating to read through the last 5 to 6 pages of the forum arguing CTS vs everythings else. Given that we don't know much about the car, it is hard to see where these folks has all the information or experience to argue about. There are always groups of die-hard customer for a brand. But majority of buyer will buy based on what they see, what they like and what they hear. The one draw back for Caddy is the resale value. Residual value for TL, G35, IS are all around 58% or so after 3 year/12k mi per year and 07 CTS is around 52-53%. Somehow 08 CTS has to bridge the gap (either lower MSRP, lower dealer selling price, more content for the same price etc...)