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#211 of 2880 Re: Several things... [louiswei]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:31 am)
your comments dont make a lot of sense. the last gen G35 and IS300 were very good handling vehicles. There was no quantum leap made in handling with the new cars, just jumps in power and interior refinement. The old IS interior was a joke, but the handling was on point. Same applies for the G35.
My point still stands, the current car is sporty, contrary to what certain MB fans would have you believe, and there is no reason to expect the new car not to be so. Other than the DTS Cadillac really doesn't make any "traditional" luxury cars that arent capable in the twisties. This is 2006, not 1996.
BTW, the IS350s styling is many things, but graceful isnt one of them. The rear end neesd a lot of work, they tried to copy the proportions of the 3 series but didn't get it quite right. The rear quarter of the GS is similarly ungainly. I dont find any awkward angles on the '08 CTS.
For those with no kids or no need to transport friends/coworkers the IS or 3 series is fine. However, there are plenty of people who like a decent backseat. This is one reason the TL and ES350 are so successful.
#212 of 2880 Re: 2008 CTS [robbieg]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:38 am)
I really like the interior design in the current CTS. That was one of the major selling points for me. The exterior caught my eye, and then I saw the inside (truly sharp and cockpit like)and it was on.
Ergonomically, it's dead on. I drive 100-150 miles per day (my car is my office)or about 3k/mo, and this design has proven to be the best of all my other vehicles as far as comfort and convenience. Most of the people that I encounter really like the design as well.
In fact, since my CTS hit the office parking lot, I would say that at least half of the physician's that I work with have traded their foreign models and moved over to Cadillac. I don't know if the CTS design had anything to do with it, but it makes you go HUM MM....
History has shown that when something this cutting edge/radical gets such bad reviews, it's a true sign that the idea is just ahead of its time.
#213 of 2880 Re: Enough 
Jan 10, 2007 (11:39 am)
Might as well consider the MB E350,M35, Lexus GS350 and Acura RL if you want to compare the CTS to the 5 series. CTS is still prolly going to be the cheapest amongst the group. IMHO, I don't see many buyers comparing the (future) CTS to any of the vehicles in this paragraph when they are comprising their short list- but then again- who knows.
Good point about the size of the 3er to the CTS. However, I was responding to chavis' comment about how the 3er is only better than the CTS in handling.
#214 of 2880 Re: 1487 [merc1]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:41 am)
"This and the uncontrollable urge to drag MB into everything GM, its really tired 1487. Nobody mentioned MB, thats your problem."
That was the best part of your response. I just mentioned MB since you have held them up as the standard by which CAdillac and the rest of the luxury field should be judged. Hey, if you're not into MB anymore I apologize.
"People have heaped criticism on the old car for years and yet when I said anything along those same lines I didn't know what I was talking about. "
Exactly, I agree with that last part 100%. Other than the interior what major criticisms are you talking about? You continue to infer that the CTS was trashed by the press and I am in denial but you don't back that up. The media praised the CTS for its daring design, its autobahn honed handling and steering and the availability of a manual tranny. When it came out the 3.2L engine was criticized for being a little weak but that was addressed for 2004 MY with the 255hp engine. After that most complaints focused on the odd center stack design of which I have never been a fan. Please provide something other than your personal opinion if you are going to continue to say the CTS is such a bad car.
"And I'm telling you that such a distinction doesn't mean squat because "American sedans" aren't the benchmarks in their classes and in most cases they're bottom feeders "
Bottom feeders? LOL, I like that one. The Z06 is a bottom feeder? The Aura is a bottom feeder? The STS? wow.
The CTS is the best non V cadillac ever. How about that statement? Oh wait, can't say that until the magazines drive it because it may only look good "on paper" as GM pulls the wool over our eyes once again.
#215 of 2880 Re: Enough [ggesq]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:44 am)
chavis was correct about the 3 series. It has better handling and 30 more lb-ft of torque in its top 6 cylinder engine. However, the base CTS outguns the base 3 series.
The 3 series doesnt have more space, offer more value or have a superior interior design to the new CTS. If you want track ready handling and want a compact luxury car that costs well over $40k with options than the 3 series cant be beat. If you are more of a G35/TL kind of guy than the CTS is right in the mix.
#216 of 2880 Re: 2008 CTS [thebug]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:53 am)
I agree that the current CTS interior is perfectly functional and is actually high quality. It was a little austere for my tastes but the nav screen improves things a bit, especially because its so large and replaces the large blank area in the middle of the stack.
The critics that slammed the CTS design when it came out where way off in their predictions. These are people who praised lame Lexus and tired MB designs and they thought Cadillac was being too risky by using the A&S theme. In other words they thought a "true" luxury car needed to look staid to be accepted. What they failed to realize is that Cadillac had done conservative and tried to have their products look like Americanized Lexuses and it didn't work. They had to be bold in order to draw attention to their new products. To funny part is that Lexus, Audi and BMW all revamped their stale styling (to varying degrees of success) after Cadillac launched A&S. I think Cadillac's design direction is the best out of the brands I mentioned. The Audi grille is growing on me, but I still do not like the Bangle 5 series and L-finesse has left me bored at Lexus. I have seen several LS460s and it is much more anonymous in person than it is on TV with the optional 19" rims. Its another conservative evolution of the same old LS design.
#217 of 2880 2008 CTS Availability?
Jan 10, 2007 (12:06 pm)
When is the 2008 CTS going to be available? It's been said from early summer to December?
#218 of 2880 Re: Enough 
Jan 10, 2007 (12:07 pm)
"However, the base CTS outguns the base 3 series."
The base 328i has 230hp and the base CTS has 210hp.
"The 3 series doesnt have more space, offer more value or have a superior interior design to the new CTS."
I think your spot on about space and value but the subjective opinions about exterior and interior design will never be agreed upon by everybody.
#219 of 2880 Re: 2008 CTS Availability? [piason]
Jan 10, 2007 (12:25 pm)
Last Saturday, the local dealer told me that they would start taking orders early summer about June. In GM terms, that may be August or September. I want a November purchase date, so it works out for me.
He said an order will take about eight weeks, so I'm looking at September. Want everything except the sunroof and nav. I just hope they are not attached to items I really want/need.
#220 of 2880 Re: 2008 CTS [robbieg]
Jan 10, 2007 (12:29 pm)
You are dead on with the pricing. The CTS interior/exterior design is excellent but if the price remains the same as the 2007 CTS, GM will have a winner. If the price goes up 1K most buyers will stay with the imports (Lexus IS250/IS350, G35, MB C class, BMW 3 series).