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Replying to: pricede (Nov 29, 2007 4:41 pm) C&D probably prints sales brochures for BMW.
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Replying to: snags (Nov 13, 2007 12:37 pm) Still an impressive vehicle, though not quite the WINNER I was expecting. Will have to see if the longer term renting will change my impression.
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The Car and Driver comparo was with the FE3 equipped car. Wow. At this price point/class the Infiniti is a winner. At this price point and whatever class the 300C AWD with a bunch of options on it is in, it too is a winner. At the discount price of the STS with the DI engine, it will pull sales from the CTS. The CTS will, in perhaps 6 months, probably be pretty much discounted, too -- then, with the addition of the bluetooth factory feature (which even the 300C offers via a package called Uconnect), the CTS might be an appropriately priced winner. Gawd, it sure is purty -- but even with the great (apparent) build quality and pretty decent power -- a maxed out 300C with the current discount structure seems like so much more car for da moola. But, it is a bit porky -- yea, I know so is the CTS, so what else is new. I do believe I am still going to wait for the new LWB V6 AWD A4 Sline -- then my choice will most likely be between the Audi A4, Cadillac CTS DI and the Infiniti G35X. The rumored updated 300C (D?) will be out then too -- the Cadillac, IMHO, will need hmmm, about a 10-12% nominal discount at that point. Then, it could be the winner -- if I say it often enough and fast enough, while I'm squinting. . ."it could happen!" 
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Replying to: adamg2 (Nov 23, 2007 5:46 am)
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Replying to: bding (Dec 01, 2007 4:04 am) |
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Nov 30, 2007 7:12 pm) And I think the automotive press agrees with me. Motor Trend has given the 2008 CTS the COTY award this year. The aformentioned Car and Driver put the '08 CTS on their 10Best list this year. The BMW 3-series was on it, but the G35 was not. Not that the G35 didn't deserve to be on the list, but the new G35 is evolutionary improvement over the old car. The '08 CTS is night and day over the '07 CTS. Sometimes you get awards for how far you've come. The STS with the DI engine picking off CTS sales? I'd love the get some of the tree you've been smoking. The STS is just a plain boring vehicle next to the CTS. The only thing it has going for it over the CTS is a V8 option and soon that won't even be a differentiator. The 300C is a nice car...my favorite rental these days (leg room for days!). But the interior quality just is not the same class as the CTS or anything else in the class. The A4 is a very very nice vehicle. Audi has probably done more than anyone in transforming FWD cars into Quattro cars that can get around a curve. If somebody buys an Audi over other cars in the class, I can't blame them.
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Replying to: sevenfeet0 (Dec 01, 2007 5:06 pm) I beg to differ on that. I have a 07 STS-4 and have driven a number of 07 CTS's in which the 08 is different but it is still a bottom of the line Caddy. Very Nice, but no STS.
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Nov 30, 2007 7:12 pm) thebug... |
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I've been a subscriber of Car & Driver for about 20 years but will not renew my subscription after this year. The reason? I'm fed up with their complete BMW/German bias. C&D believes that if you're a car enthusiast then you want a race car for the street. I think we all realize this is not the case. A great sport sedan/coupe is a combination of style, luxury, technology, handling and performance. The fact that a car can lap Nurburgring or Laguna Seca faster and quicker than any other car in it's class doesn't make it the optimal car for a car enthusiast's daily driver. I haven't owned an American car since 1999 and swore I would never own another after that awful Jeep Grand Cherokee, but since the introduction of the CTS I've slowly changed my mind. The 08 CTS is everything I had hoped it would be, correcting all of the problems of the previous models. I would have already put my order in for an 08 CTS if it weren't for the fact that Cadillac will be building a coupe, hopefully in 08 as an 09. |
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Dec 01, 2007 6:28 pm) Thesis: The STS is boring 1. The exterior styling is bland. The original '05 STS was supposed to be introduced in '04 but got held back because Bob Lutz thought the styling wasn't sophisticated enough. I don't know what that car looked like because the car that went to production didn't light many eyes afire. Considering that the '02 'Slade, the '03 CTS, the '04 XLR and the '04 SRX were all considered to be "out there" styling exercises (some succeeded, some sort-of succeeded). The '05 STS looked to be to be an unfinished project. The lines were too toned down from the other A&S efforts. The sides were too slad sided without any emotion lines to break up the wide expanses of nothing. The rear clip and spoiler looked completely unfinished and the spoiler didn't look integrated at all. I spent some time in my mind trying to defend it when it first was released, but the more I looked at it, the more I couldn't defend it. 2. The interior was a better effort but it falls because Cadillac compromised it with poor quality plastics. All you have to do is put your hand on top of the '08 CTS's dash and feel the soft feel of the leatherette compared to the hard plastics of the STS to know that the CTS's game got updated from what had been done three years previous. It's not that the STS's interior is bad...far from it. But once you get back the center stack that was pretty well done, the rest of it is lacking, I'm sorry to say. Keep in mind, I'm the same guy who told my Caddy dealer back in '03 that I thought my new CTS's interior wasn't enough for the class (and the SRX's original CTS-based interior was a joke for the class). 3. The seats are boring. The STS's seats are pretty much the same units in the CTS and SRX. Outside of some styling differences, the seats showed no improvement from the other vehicles...again, just trying to put more of the same across the product line. The STS-V did change some of my pain points, but the main problems of the car remain. The '08 STS does spice up the front clip with the new family grill, but I think the CTS is a better interpretation of that effort. The side vents on the new STS just look slapped on...not an integrated part of the design as the CTS or even the '07 Slade. Given the styling effort on the CTS, I am hopeful on the replacement for the STS/DTS since I was getting a little worried after the STS came out. |
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