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#1791 of 2757 Car and Driver Bashes Manual Transmission by pricede Nov 29, 2007 (4:41 pm)
I just got the Jan. 08 Car and Driver magazine. They test 4 sports sedans, one being the 2008 CTS with manual transmission. They state, "coupled with the six-speed manual, the CTS didn't feel quite as finished or satisfying as the automatic equipped car...from a stiff clutch pedal with inconsistent engagement to a clunky and high-effort shifter that resists smooth, quick gearchanges, the CTS's powertrain seems crude without the automatic." I am considering placing an order for a 2008 CTS in December. It would only be if I get it with the 6 speed manual. Is there anyone with the 2008 with manual transmission who thinks Car and Driver is out of line with their comments? (The CTS placed 3rd behind the G35 and 328i, but ahead of the MB C300 Sport) Replies to this message: 150mphclub (Nov 30, 2007 10:06 am) mediapusher (Dec 02, 2007 11:59 pm)
#1793 of 2757 A great car by lenbroverman Nov 29, 2007 (6:44 pm)
After sending 3 years trying to get Audi to recognize a problem in my 2005 Audi A6 I finally gave up and traded it in for a 2008 CTS DI engine with all the bells and whistles. Only thing I can say is" I love this car "and as I told Audi I'd never by one of their cars again. They are a terrible company to deal with. So if your considering a new Audi do yourself a favor and look and drive this CTS.
#1794 of 2757 Re: Update on my constrained CTS [ctbarker3232] by smokiejoe Nov 30, 2007 (8:01 am)
Replying to: ctbarker3232 (Nov 28, 2007 3:22 pm) Are you able to get other manuals. I am waiting for my 2008 SRX to arrive, and it would be awesome to get up to speed on the vehicle. I called Cadillac and GM but they could not help. I know after delivery, or at least once I have a VIN #, I can download the manual from mygm.c*m.
#1795 of 2757 Re: Car and Driver Bashes Manual Transmission [pricede] by 150mphclub Nov 30, 2007 (10:06 am)
Replying to: pricede (Nov 29, 2007 4:41 pm) Would this be the same Car and Driver magazine that rated the BMW #1 in its October 2005 comparison test of 8 sport sedans even though the brakes failed and put the car in a full spin? LOL   C&D probably prints sales brochures for BMW. Replies to this message: mediapusher (Dec 02, 2007 11:59 pm)
#1796 of 2757 Re: Wanted to like the CTS [snags] by vic10 Nov 30, 2007 (6:27 pm)
Replying to: snags (Nov 13, 2007 12:37 pm) Just a follow-up from your earlier comments: Although I plan on renting a CTS for a couple of days to get a better feel of the car, today was my first drive in one, the DI version, (tarted up with Vogue wheels, whitewalls, pinstripping, tinted windows, painted grill, in Diamond White--it was stunning) with the dealer. A couple miles of city streets, two highway merges, some parking lot maneuvering. Maybe it's the comparison (I too drive a 300C). But I was kind of underwhelmed. Nice power, very responsive engine/transmission, but lacks the brute force of the Hemi. Nice ride and control, maybe a tad softer and without the annoying rear suspension noise of the 300, but not a whole lot better. Biggest disappointment was the interior. Comfortable seating and plenty of legroom, yes, and enough headroom that I could adjust the seat up (I'm 6 ft.) to give more of the up right sitting position like in the 300. But the perception was slightly confining, probably due to the wrap-around design of the console/dash, and the center stack seemed a bit busy, though admittedly the detailing and finish was very impressive. Also noticed that the doors don't close with a solid thunk. No rattles, but there was definitely some flexing in the door/window area, almost like the old the Devilles of the 70's. And what's this with the no flash-to-pass headlights (only works with the headlights ON). That's one of my most used features (Yes I'm going to pass you; Yes I'm going to let you pull in ahead of me; Hi gorgeous; What the heck kind of maneuver was that you jerk; etc.).   Still an impressive vehicle, though not quite the WINNER I was expecting. Will have to see if the longer term renting will change my impression. Replies to this message: sevenfeet0 (Dec 03, 2007 8:42 am)
#1797 of 2757 G35X vs CTS by markcincinnati Nov 30, 2007 (7:12 pm)
The Car and Driver comparo was with the FE3 equipped car. Wow.   At this price point/class the Infiniti is a winner.   At this price point and whatever class the 300C AWD with a bunch of options on it is in, it too is a winner.   At the discount price of the STS with the DI engine, it will pull sales from the CTS. The CTS will, in perhaps 6 months, probably be pretty much discounted, too -- then, with the addition of the bluetooth factory feature (which even the 300C offers via a package called Uconnect), the CTS might be an appropriately priced winner.   Gawd, it sure is purty -- but even with the great (apparent) build quality and pretty decent power -- a maxed out 300C with the current discount structure seems like so much more car for da moola. But, it is a bit porky -- yea, I know so is the CTS, so what else is new.   I do believe I am still going to wait for the new LWB V6 AWD A4 Sline -- then my choice will most likely be between the Audi A4, Cadillac CTS DI and the Infiniti G35X.   The rumored updated 300C (D?) will be out then too -- the Cadillac, IMHO, will need hmmm, about a 10-12% nominal discount at that point.   Then, it could be the winner -- if I say it often enough and fast enough, while I'm squinting. . ."it could happen!"     Replies to this message: sevenfeet0 (Dec 01, 2007 5:06 pm) dmathews3 (Dec 01, 2007 6:28 pm) sevenfeet0 (Dec 02, 2007 9:59 am) thebug (Dec 01, 2007 10:29 pm)
#1798 of 2757 Re: My CTS 08 order suffering from constraint [adamg2] by bding Dec 01, 2007 (4:04 am)
Replying to: adamg2 (Nov 23, 2007 5:46 am) I talked again (11/30) with Cadillac Customer Assistance. There are still "constraints" placed on my 10/05/07 CTS DI order out. No build date, no reason given. With the Lansing facility closed for the last two weeks of the year, I don't expect anything soon. The CSR rep said she was closing my account out. She said all further contact should be thru the dealer. I asked if there was someone I could speak to above her and was told, "no". So I'm thinking I was speaking to a dead-end all along. If my wife didn't want this car so badly, I'd say, "damn you Cadillac". GM, if your reading this, you've left a bitter taste in my mouth and this will most likely be the last car I'll ever purchase from you. Replies to this message: sevenfeet0 (Dec 01, 2007 4:34 pm)
#1799 of 2757 Re: My CTS 08 order suffering from constraint [bding] by sevenfeet0 Dec 01, 2007 (4:34 pm)
Replying to: bding (Dec 01, 2007 4:04 am) You need a better dealer. I have no problem getting ordering information from my dealer, not to mention reasons why things are happening or not happening. The "constraints" issues are well known and well discussed in these parts. Compare your options list to what's already been discussed and you'll have your answer. The reason they don't have a build date is because they honestly don't know. Suppliers can be a real PITA sometimes and these supply-chain issues have a real danger of customers saying "forget it" and heading straight for the Infiniti dealer. Trust me, GM is probably more pissed off than you are over this. For you, its an inconvenience. For them, it's costing them real money.
#1800 of 2757 Re: G35X vs CTS [markcincinnati] by sevenfeet0 Dec 01, 2007 (5:06 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Nov 30, 2007 7:12 pm) I haven't read the review yet (hasn't been delivered to the house). I can't say I'm surprised at the result. I still think it's not entirely an apples to apples comparo to put a CTS in the same test as a 3 series...they just aren't the same class vehicle. A G35 is a better comparison but that's smaller too. But Cadillac will have to live with this until the BTS bows sometime in the future.   And I think the automotive press agrees with me. Motor Trend has given the 2008 CTS the COTY award this year. The aformentioned Car and Driver put the '08 CTS on their 10Best list this year. The BMW 3-series was on it, but the G35 was not. Not that the G35 didn't deserve to be on the list, but the new G35 is evolutionary improvement over the old car. The '08 CTS is night and day over the '07 CTS. Sometimes you get awards for how far you've come.   The STS with the DI engine picking off CTS sales? I'd love the get some of the tree you've been smoking. The STS is just a plain boring vehicle next to the CTS. The only thing it has going for it over the CTS is a V8 option and soon that won't even be a differentiator.   The 300C is a nice car...my favorite rental these days (leg room for days!). But the interior quality just is not the same class as the CTS or anything else in the class.   The A4 is a very very nice vehicle. Audi has probably done more than anyone in transforming FWD cars into Quattro cars that can get around a curve. If somebody buys an Audi over other cars in the class, I can't blame them. Replies to this message: dmathews3 (Dec 01, 2007 6:28 pm) sevenfeet0 (Dec 02, 2007 9:59 am)

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