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#1746 of 2880 Re: Motor Trend Car of the Year [bingoman] by cdnpinhead

Nov 20, 2007 (9:44 am)

Replying to: bingoman (Nov 20, 2007 8:49 am)
Just for grins:
 
2008 Cadillac CTS
2007 Toyota Camry
2006 Honda Civic
2005 Chrysler 300C
2004 Toyota Prius
2003 Infiniti G35
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser
2000 Lincoln LS
1999 Chrysler 300M
1998 Chevrolet Corvette
1997 Chevrolet Malibu
1996 Dodge Caravan
1995 Chrysler Cirrus
1994 Ford Mustang
1993 Ford Probe GT
1992 Cadillac Seville Touring Sedan
1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ
1990 Lincoln Town Car
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC
1988 Pontiac Grand Prix
1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
1986 Ford Taurus LX
1985 Volkswagen GTI (eligible due to it being built in VW's now-defunct Pennsylvania plant)
1984 Chevrolet Corvette
1983 AMC / Renault Alliance
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
1981 Chrysler K Cars, Dodge Aries / Plymouth Reliant
1980 Chevrolet Citation
1979 Buick Riviera S
1978 Chrysler, Dodge Omni / Plymouth Horizon
1977 Chevrolet Caprice
1976 Chrysler, Dodge Aspen / Plymouth Volare
1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2
1974 Ford Mustang II
1973 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1972 Citroën SM (An imported vehicle that was selected overall "Car of the Year")
1971 Chevrolet Vega
1970 Ford Torino
1969 Plymouth Road Runner
1968 Pontiac GTO
1967 Mercury Cougar
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado
1965 Pontiac Motor Division
1964 Ford Motor Company (Not for the Mustang)
1963 American MotorsRambler
1962 Buick Special
1961 Pontiac Tempest
1960 Chevrolet Corvair
1959 Pontiac Motor Division
1958 Ford Thunderbird
1957 Chrysler Corporation
1956 Ford Motor Company
1955 Chevrolet Motor Division
1954 No award
1953 No award
1952 Cadillac Motor Division
1951 Chrysler Corporation
1950 No award
1949 Cadillac Motor Division
 
I think my two favorites are the Alliance & the Vega, though the Corvair is interesting as well.

#1747 of 2880 feels good, doesn't it? by adamg2

Nov 20, 2007 (10:27 am)

Anyone else feel particularly gratified for ordering this car before the Car of the Year Award? The article and associated video on the Motor Trend website are the highest praise for the 08 CTS I've come across thus far.

#1748 of 2880 Re: feels good, doesn't it? [adamg2] by thebug

Nov 20, 2007 (11:39 am)

Replying to: adamg2 (Nov 20, 2007 10:27 am)
adamg2 - Absolutely!!!
 
thebug...

#1749 of 2880 Previous winners by sevenfeet0

Nov 20, 2007 (3:42 pm)

The list of old winners is an interesting lesson in how the COTY award is sometimes for an important vehicle as opposed to an important and GOOD vehicle. The Chrysler K cars were complete crap but they were cheap in bad financial times for the country and saved Chrysler from going under. The Chevy Vega had great technology on paper that wasn't durable 5 miles off the dealer lot. And the Corvair was like Porsches and VWs of the day...a really different...and bad idea (rear engine). The difference was the execution of the application. VW and Porsche generally did it well...GM did it poorly.
 
I think in recent years MT has tried to raise the bar for the selection process and try to select a car that will stand the test of time. Not all do, but the recent decade has the Vette, the Camry, Prius and 300C. Only the Thunderbird falls short of the other cars in that era.
 
My votes for worst cars of the COTY historical list:
1971 Chevy Vega (again, who knew it would be so unreliable at the time?)
1974 Mustang II (truthfully, few cars of that era were any good)
1975 Chevy Monza (a small hatchback that weighed about as much as a Caddy Fleetwood...a friend of mine in high school had one)
1976 Plymouth Volare (where do I start with this turkey)
1980 Chevy Citation (my first car as a teenager. Underpowered and overweight, the car's torque steer was so bad that the whole front end shook at 70 MPH)
1983 Renault Alliance (the "Appliance" was almost as breakdown prone as the K-cars)
1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (another overweight turkey)

#1750 of 2880 Re: Previous winners [sevenfeet0] by golfnut5

Nov 20, 2007 (6:37 pm)

Replying to: sevenfeet0 (Nov 20, 2007 3:42 pm)
Good observations. Think where we would be without competition for the Japanese. Scary to think about it.

#1751 of 2880 Re: Previous winners [sevenfeet0] by briantucson

Nov 20, 2007 (9:10 pm)

Replying to: sevenfeet0 (Nov 20, 2007 3:42 pm)
SevenFoot 0,
 
Any rememberances as to how awful the following vehicles are that you omitted?
 
I've been around long enough to remember a lot of the list (born class of '63)
 
1992 Cadillac Seville Touring Sedan
1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ
1990 Lincoln Town Car
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC
 
These omissions from your list were simply bad.
 
Too heavy. No fun. Bad resale.
 
I've a feeling that we've re-entered a "golden age" of vehicles. Look back to what was happening in the 60s...Great designs, great performance...and what's happening again now. Instead of each manufacturer trying to look like a global designer, we have each designer looking like a nationalist. Why does the CTS or 300C look "American", or the Camry/Civic look "Japanese" or the bizarre 3 series look "German"?
 
It's the nationalist trends that have given us the sharpest designs.
 
Viva Le Difference!!

#1752 of 2880 Re: Previous winners [briantucson] by sevenfeet0

Nov 21, 2007 (7:03 am)

Replying to: briantucson (Nov 20, 2007 9:10 pm)
I would take issue on three of the four choices.
 
The 1992 Cadillac STS was considered to be a very good product in the context of the day. Cadillac was replacing the older 1987-1991 Seville, which was undoubtedly the worst product of the Seville/STS era dating back to 1976 (although the 1980 model with the Olds diesel engine could be argued as worst too). The older Seville and Eldorado were too small, too bland, too overweight, too weak on power....a complete failure. The 1992 model was larger with crisp lines that set the stage for the more radical Art & Science styling motif we know now (although the 1998 Seville/STS was a stylistic retreat according to critics and buyers). Even the handling was considered to be pretty good considering it was a FWD car. But the 1992 Seville was an unfinished product. The 1993 model that delivered the first Northstar V8 was the product that made you forget completely about the old Seville.
 
The 1991 Chevy Caprice Classic LTZ really wasn't that great of a product but it wasn't unsuccessful completely. The Caprice Classic would go on to be an extremely popular police cruiser (and taxi/livery vehicle) and the LTZ model would eventually morph into the highly desirably Impala of that era. But like the Seville of the era, it was unfinished. The bathtub like rear wheel wells would get quickly redesigned into something less goofy.
 
The 1990 Lincoln Town Car was the vehicle that seriously challenged the Cadillac Deville's stranglehold on traditional full sized luxury vehicles offering a proper rear drive car against the FWD Devilles of the day. The RWD Caddy Broughams of the day were large and ungainly. And this product all but ended Cadillac's dominance on the executive livery business, taking 90% of the market, a dominance they haven't given up to this day. Only Caddy's funeral business didn't fall under the onslaught of this product.
 
The 1989 Ford Thunderbird SC. Yeah I agree...boring product that had no future market significance.

#1753 of 2880 Re: My CTS 08 order suffering from constraint [ctbarker3232] by bding

Nov 22, 2007 (8:47 pm)

Replying to: ctbarker3232 (Nov 14, 2007 1:57 pm)
Ordered my 08 CTS the first week of October, 08 ( DI, RWD, F2, moon roof, 18" wheels) Dealer said plan on 6-9 weeks for delivery. Spoke with him this week and he said because of "constraints" that I may not get delivery until February or March. WTF is this!

#1754 of 2880 Re: My CTS 08 order suffering from constraint [bding] by bingoman

Nov 22, 2007 (10:50 pm)

Replying to: bding (Nov 22, 2007 8:47 pm)
What exactly did you order that is under constraint?

#1755 of 2880 Re: My CTS 08 order suffering from constraint [bingoman] by bding

Nov 23, 2007 (4:01 am)

Replying to: bingoman (Nov 22, 2007 10:50 pm)
Options on my CTS are 18" polished aluminum wheels, performance collection, performance package, seating package and ultraview sunroof. Dealer didn't know what the constraints were. But from reading previous posts, it seems to be the polished wheels are in short supply. To me, the wheels with Black Raven paint make the car.

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