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#1600 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [pao]
Oct 26, 2007 (8:14 pm)
The current, A4, has a wheelbase that is 6.6" longer than the one right now for sale in the US. The situation that I am facing is coming off the lease of a 2005 A6 that has all the options offered in that MY.
Prior to that I had a 2003 Audi allroad also fully optioned.
When I equip a CTS with all the options it offers what was apparently sold to anyone who wanted one (from Germany or Japan) in 2004 (the hard drive seems to be the only +.)
The new A4 3.2 will be "close" to the size of both the current A6, the BMW 5 and the CTS. The price of the A4 at MSRP is likely to be "close" to the Cadillac CTS. The BMW 3 series, likewise and the G35 from Infiniti ditto.
The Cadillac is also "close" to the size of the 5 series and the current gen A6 -- and it is less money. But the CTS remains, for the moment, in the ELLPS class not the LPS class.
So, the upcoming (to the US) A4 3.2 SLine Quattro seems to me to be (probably) quite competitive to the CTS.
The lack of BT is a serious oversight for many folks -- but, as I said, the CTS is awfully "purty." Its looks may offset its weaknesses or "oversights."
I am one of the people who MAY fit in the class of "willing to settle." I like the CTS, it is a looker.
On the other hand, after 28 Audis and lots of loyalty creds to fall back on, the CTS requires a serious off MSRP discount or subvented lease -- after all, it reminds me of buying a really great laptop circa January 2005 (but it is late 2007.) A lifetime of chip development has passed it by.
Drive the FE2 equipped CTS, drive it over a specific route, in fact. Then, IMMEDIATELY, drive an A6 3.2 with the STANDARD suspension and 18" wheels over the same route(or you can drive mine, if you are in Cincinnati, in fact, over a route I can show you) and you will wonder why the CTS seems to "float" despite its claim to be the sport suspension.) Moreover, you can marvel at my 2005's technology and wonder why the CTS couldn't at least equal it.
If you care, you can then wander over to the Infiniti dealer and drive a 2008 G35X sport ( $7,000 less than the CTS) and be blown away.
The upcoming A4 will, apparently, offer so many innovations it will leave the A6 in the dust, and since the CTS is not quite up to the '05 A6's technology content, well, the upcoming A4, seems really to be "the one to beat," with the possible exception of that pesky G35.
With voice activated PHONING with BT, I would probably overlook the CTS's shortcomings, especially with the almost inevitable MSRP discounts that will surely become the norm.
#1601 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [markcincinnati]
Oct 26, 2007 (9:46 pm)
markcincinnati - Personally I think Audi makes nice cars, but after my horrid service experience with VW (and Audi is made by VW) I wouldn't touch an Audi with a ten foot pole.
Don't get me wrong, I loved my VW Passat, it was awesome, but the service was absolutely lousy. Over the six years that I owned the car I never had any problems, but getting routine service was a total nightmare.
Some would say "go to another dealer" and I did. The service was still lousy. I felt trapped not being able to take the car to other service providers because many of them won't touch a VW product due to part issues. Many VW parts (battery included) are only sold by VW.
After the 60K mile service hassle with VW, I traded the car the next day. I think that the Audi service issues would be the same. That being said, I purchased an 03 CTS in the mix of all this and was absolutely pleased with every aspect of car ownership. You see...
Overall, as a rule, good service is the main reason many people stick with a particular brand name. All the other nice to have stuff is at best, secondary. BTW, it would be nice if you could buy one of each, and this way have all the goodies.
#1602 of 2880 Re: Pulled trigger on loaded CTS RWD w/Wood Wheel/Knob [ctbarker3232]
Oct 26, 2007 (10:38 pm)
ctbarker3232 - My order was placed on 9/26/07, the day before the two day strike. I received a build date of 10/15/07. Received a VIN number and arrival date of 11/7/07 by email today. Requested pick up date of 11/12/07 (birthday). Just have to be nice to yourself once in a while, my golden rule.
Total MSRP $44,110, with the Costco discount and other incentives, it will come in at about $40,035 (before TTL) give or take $200. Looks like it takes about six weeks or so, so you should be okay on your just before Christmas delivery date. Hope your purchase experience goes well.
#1603 of 2880 Re: Bluetooth is coming [lynnminny]
Oct 27, 2007 (5:22 am)
You are 100% correct. I was all set to buy a beautiful Blue Chip SRX with 20" wheels when I learned it didn't have bluetooth. Not even an option. I drive in DC a lot, where they give out tickets for talking on a cellphone handset (revenue is revenue!). Bluetooth was a necessity. I walked away and bought an Acura MDX. I was annoyed, because I really liked the SRX. I am baffled how Cadillac, who is holds itself out to compete with BMW, M-B, Lexis and etc, doesn't have bluetooth standard on all of it's vehicles. It's not a very difficult thing to include. I don't think Caddy realizes how much of an oversight it really is and how much business that one (lack of a feature) is costing them.
#1604 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [thebug]
Oct 27, 2007 (6:21 am)
I am sorry and frustrated "for you" regarding the service experience you had with your VW. Here in our "big town" of Cincinnati, Audi, BMW and Mercedes service is generally "over the top" excellent.
I suspect this has been due to the Japanese lux brand influence -- although I did pick up my first Audi in 1977 and even then the service was, er, "awesome."
On the other hand, projecting the service on one brand due to the experience with antoher "related" brand hasn't always proven to work out.
Using this approach, Cadillac (owned by GM) would be a reject due to the poor Chevy service reputation, etc.
In any case, despite some of MY noise, I do want to "celebrate" the CTS and the reviews where it is said to be the best Cadillac ever.
My personal complaints are, generally (BT being the exception), nits, likely to be addressed in upcoming evolutions of the car.
And, I'd imagine even BT will not deter too many folks -- until the lawmakers and law enforcers start what I am almost certain will be the inevitable crackdown.
BT must be the victim of the On*star relationship. What other explanation could there be?
Oct 27, 2007 (12:59 pm)
Has anyone had any experience either good or bad with the bluetooth option that can be installed by the dealer as a
separate add on? ....still can't believe its factory installed yet but regardless I need this feature. Wondering if I should go this route or thru Best Buy's Mototola option.
Oct 27, 2007 (1:01 pm)
I'm interested in the 08 CTS All Wheel Drive with Premium Luxury Package.... How much can I expect to pay? One of my relatives can get me the family GM discount as well...
Any ideas out there?
#1607 of 2880 Re: CTS purchase [rdssatx]
Oct 28, 2007 (6:51 pm)
I'm expecting my dealer to call me this week that my new 2008 cadillac cts is in. I too, decided to treat myself and the red tint coat really caught my eye. I ordered it the end of August but I don't think the factory actually got started on it till the second week in September. My dealer claims they aren't going to turn too many of these loose right away and I'm getting anxious on when mine is going to arrive. I hope it's everything that I've expected it to be!!!
#1608 of 2880 Re: Bluetooth is coming [hildya]
Oct 28, 2007 (8:59 pm)
I took delivery yesterday and was surprised that it did not have bluetooth. However I have the family plan with Verizon and adding the car is an additional 10 bucks a month. You can forward your cell phone to the car while driving. The OnStar system is far superior (sound) than any bluetooth device in my other vehicles.
Oct 28, 2007 (9:08 pm)
So you can forward your existing number??? I was told you could only generate a new number on an existing family plan. That's great...thanks..that's all I needed to know. My car is to be delivered on November 2nd, but I'm out of town and can't pick it up until November 17th! I may have to take a special trip now!