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#1585 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [pao]
Oct 25, 2007 (4:08 am)
I would imagine your are in the minority.
However, I don't know how many people would avoid the car because it lacks Bluetooth.
I would -- and now that I know it will be on the '09's, well that might make things a bit easier, but I am coming down to either an ordering window or extend my lease beyond the original term window.
The new Audi A4 just got a lot more attractive knowing this from Cadillac.
But, I may be in another minority -- the minority of folks would is comparing the CTS to the G35X to the upcoming A4 -- and perhaps if the BMW lease deals continue, PERHAPS, a 5 series.
Overall, the CTS is "said to" be in the ELLPS class of cars, which OUGHT TO mean folks shopping for the CTS ARE indeed looking at the BMW 3, Audi A4 and Infiniti G35 -- reading this forum, tho, I get the sense folks are comparing the CTS to the larger versions from these mfgrs, instead.
In any case, the CTS is the only car in this list that has 2003-era electronics in it (although the hard drive is nice.) My 2005 A6 (designed pre 2004 and manufactured in 2004 has BT and as someone here mentioned, "don't leave home without it.")
#1586 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [markcincinnati]
Oct 25, 2007 (5:34 am)
mark....I'm with you. I had an STS (current gen) which I inherited. While the CTS is a different beast, bluetooth, voice recognition, NAV, etc was a nitemare. Doing a little investigation, GM didn't adhere to bluetooth standards and went their own way. The only phones that worked (and they were marginal, at best) were ones that were no longer being made.
I have a current gen Tahoe now. The NAV is much improved. I'll assume it's the same Nav system that Caddy uses. Still, no blue tooth. For all the technical prowess GM posesses, they can't get BT right. Honda can. Toyota can. Even Chrysler can. GM can't.
I don't even want to fathom how Caddy views someone with forward tech like an iPhone...and how they'd integrate it.
For those of you pining for the wood steering wheel and shifter, just as an FYI, the wood portions get very hot in the summer and very cold in the winter. Even with heated steering wheels (like the STS had), the wood portions got very cold in the winter. It looks good. Not very functional, though.
I've taken a brief test drive in an '08 CTS. Plenty of "bling". There's even some sport thrown in for good measure. Not a bad car....for $35K. At $40K and above, go get a 335i, or an A4-6. Save yourself some money and get a TL or G35. Aside from the afore mentioned bling, the drive in those cars (as well as the tech) are much better than you'll find in the CTS. Hadnling/ride compromise in the FE3 is too harsh (for the handling you get). FE2 is a little too soft, but probably the best compromise. If the DI engine is putting out 300+ HP, it must be well into the higher rev ranges. It feels sluggish compared to the competitors.
I've also got a 330i. Even with the dreaded I Drive, it is better than the CTS Nav (once you master I Drive). BT works flawlessly in the 3...even using an iPhone. First time it paired, all my contacts downloaded into the 3. Works great.
#1587 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [pao]
Oct 25, 2007 (10:59 am)
If you are then I am too--and be grateful you are. Garrison Keillor made the comment during one of his concert specials that it was amazing how Charles Lindberg managed to cross the Atlantic without a 2-way radio, but people today can't walk to the mailbox without their cellphone/bluetooth...or bottle of water. If you really feel the need to be plugged into someone else's ear all the time...I think you need to get a life.
#1588 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [graphicguy]
Oct 25, 2007 (2:56 pm)
". . .pining for the wood steering wheel and shifter. . ."
Now that's pretty good, whether it was planned or not.
#1589 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [vic10]
Oct 25, 2007 (6:27 pm)
I can appreciate the sentiment of your post.
I also disagree with it, but without "malice."
BT is NOT about being plugged in. . .all the time. Well, at least it is not for the folks I know who use it.
BT is (in alphabetical order) a convenience, cost containment and safety feature. It should be made illegal to offer a car without it (don't get me started on why it will soon be if "YOU" (we) don't voluntarily stop using a phone that is NOT hand and eyes free.)
A well equipped CTS is over $40K, often close to $50K -- it is confounding (to say the least) for this car not to have state of the art BT when Chrysler has done it so well, and with voice activation/calling to boot. The Japanese and Germans, too, have it pretty well figured out and even Land Rover, despite what might be their flaws in other areas, have also got the BT thing down pat.
In the scheme of things, for some, the lack of BT will not deter them from acquiring the CTS -- it is sooo purty.
However, that is NOT the point for some (perhaps the rest of us) -- the point is, this seems to be a glaring oversight, a lack of attention to detail that is baffling.
I really like the CTS, don't get me wrong -- and I'll really consider it when it is, inevitably, discounted a minimum of 10% off of the sticker if you can walk and chew gum simultaneously. It is, however, "state of the art, circa 2004." At the discounted prices that are commin', it is a good, almost very good car.
And, that, after all, may be enough.
A 110+" wheelbase A4 3.2 SLine Quattro with all the toys for equal to or less than the price (at MSRP) of a CTS would seem to be a no brainer, tho.
The CTS, on the other hand, will probably be sooooo cheap, it will be hard to resist -- 2004 (or 2003) was a pretty good year for German and Japanese car's features, don't you think?
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
#1590 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [graphicguy]
Oct 25, 2007 (9:04 pm)
Regarding the wood on the steering wheel and shift knob: I am driving an '03 CTS with wood. Here in Southern California the sun gets pretty hot but the wood has never been a problem. Even if it has been parked in the sun there is enough leather to still be able to handle the wheel as the wood is only on the top quarter of the wheel above the two and ten o'clock hand positions.
#1591 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [markcincinnati]
Oct 26, 2007 (2:57 am)
Can you tell me if the 2008 Bimmers or Japs have 2004 technology that when using the factory remote start is smart enough to know if your seats a/c or heat should be turned on and that no matter where you leave your thermostat at the car will decide if front and rear defog needs to be turned on?
No malice here either. Just askin.
#1592 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [markcincinnati]
Oct 26, 2007 (4:05 am)
I beleive the real reason you havent seen GM go BT is due to the ONSTAR program....yes many debates of that one as we.....
I do disagree with your comparison with the Audi A4 3.2 Quattro....having priced both....they come out about the same similiarly equipped......and according to the KBB specs...the wheelbase on the Audi is 105 while the CTs has 113....regardless.....dont think its necessarily a no brainer to go with the Audi.....
the other item I also look at is scheduled maintenance and costs.....most of the European imports have intense maintenance schedules...along the lines of every 15k...and reliability has taken a hit here as well...not to say the GM product doesnt have its faults either....BMW overcomes it with their 4/50 maintenance which essentially gives you free oil changes...all the other services shouldnt be needed in the first 50K...brakes, rotors etc..that the program covers....
10% off MSRP......not too far off now...Im negotiating now for 3-5K off MSRP at the moment before incentives....so its possible now.....just my thoughts...
#1594 of 2880 Re: Guess I dont get the blue tooth hangup [cdnpinhead]
Oct 26, 2007 (6:51 am)
cdn....the "pining" wordsmith was intentional. All I can do is relate my experiences with wood steering wheel/shifter. I'll never get another car that has it, no matter how good it looks, They just aren't very functional.
mark....did a quick GMS look at discounts for the CTS. Loaded up, GMS is running about $6K off MSRP. Add in the inevitable rebates, after the furor dies down...let's say another $3K off towards the end of the model year, you're looking at a $35K purcahse price. But, that's for a GMS deal.
I don't know if that would get me to do a handshake with a Caddy dealer, particularly since my Cadillac experiences have been horrid. But, my Tahoe experience has been great. Everything worked, and worked as expected right out of the box. 17,000 miles and nothing but oil changes.
My fear for the BMW is, if you follow the BMW included maintenance schedule (oil changes at 15,000 miles, or more), something's going to blow up somewhere down the line. Knowing me, I won't have the BMW long enough for that to happen, though. The plan is to keep the BMW until the warranty runs out (sometime in the next two years) and start looking again.
Too far into the future to have any relevance, but I think a retooled Acura TL, another BMW, a G35 will top the list. Pulling up the rear, until I can see what the reports are, will be the CTS. Gotta admit, it is a looker. But, so was my ex-wife. She's gone!