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#1413 of 2880 Re: website 
Sep 26, 2007 (3:26 pm)
Here're two more reviews to read:
"By Kelsey Mays
September 4, 2007
....it does a poor job blocking out the sun and mitigating wind noise. A smaller, conventional moonroof is not available.”
Just click on the moonshade photo
“By Frank Aukofer
September 12, 2007
The shade for the sunroof is some sort of perforated translucent fabric, which does a poor job of blocking bright sunlight”
http://research.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp;jsessionid=BFDZO2AICO45RLAYIEP4S0Y?- revid=52185&indcriteria=ASSET_TYPE-Affiliate+Review%2CBuying+Guide%2CVehicle+Pro- file%7CM-_8_%7CD-_6128_%7CY-_2008_%7CresultStructure-combined&revlogtype=19&make- id=8&modelid=6128&year=2008&myid=&revlogtype=19§ion=reviews&mode=&aff=nation- al
The majority of the complaints on this board are because of the sunshade that doesn’t block out the sun-light when it’s not needed. It also penetrates heat to the cabin when the car’s parked under the sun (a problem can be fixed sooner or later).
This is not a MINI; it's a Cadillac for GOD SAKE!
Besides the number of complaints on this board, here’re some more complaints about the sunshade in the Internet from unbiased Cadillac’s loyal customers:
“by mathouth from San Jose, California (9/21/07)
Pros: Great looking, good handling, very powerful and luxurious
Cons: Ugly semi sunroof shade penetrates 50% of the sun.”
“by bgmr from Brampton, ON (9/16/07)
Pros: New, exciting look, great performance, handling
Cons: Sun shade needs to be improved”
“by brian from colma, california (8/30/07)
Pros: the new instrument panel is much improved over the 07s much easier to use
Cons: the sunroof shade is very cheap on the ulra view sunroof”
“by: pete paner Says:
September 23rd, 2007 at 10:57 am
I took the 08 CTS DI for a test drive; it didn’t take me long to really love it; the MSRP was a little over $47,000, but compare it to the MB E Class is a great bargain. Car critics called it “The best Cadillac in 50 Years” and I called it “the best Cadillac ever”.
Unfortunately it has a cheap sunroof cover (with wind noise) which blocks only 50% of the sun when I don’t need it; what makes it worse is that you can’t configure the car with the Premium Luxury Package minus the sunroof, unless you’re willing to pay more for less, by not taking the Premium (bundling) package”
September 9th, 2007 at 10:12 pm
Well, I am glad to see a review that didn’t bash a GM product. I too hope the general public will forget what Cadillac has done in the 1970s to 1990s and just focus on this and if they must look at the pass, look at the time when Cadillac was a competitor of Rolls-Royce and Mercedes-Benz back in the 1920’s. Hopefully Cadillac will get up to more of that status, this is certainly a good start! keep it up Cadillac!”
The last one was my favorite subject about Cadillac in general; I too like to compare today's Cadillac to Mercedes and Rolls since I'm a Cadillac fan.
You can't hunt "die-hard" Cadillac fan that has any criticism about the car he/she likes. I’ve waited a year for the 08 CTS and I can wait few more months, another year, or I may never buy the CTS; but I'm definitely not going away now.
If anybody has a complaint about the 08 CTS and really cares to have GM people hear it; email it to:
I did, because I care about the brand.
#1414 of 2880 Re: is DI engine 306hp CTS faster than regular Acura TL? [yooin14]
Sep 26, 2007 (4:26 pm)
They are equally fast.
The question you may want to have answered has nothing to do with "fast." I suspect your question is the CTS quicker than the TL?
Further, if that is, indeed, your real question, HP has less to do with it than torque and torque at what RPM.
Weight is important -- that is not the question.
Finally, even if the torque is low or high at "X" RPM, the final drive ratio can also have a significant effect on "quickness."
And, if you were really to pick your nits, speed will be limited by HP if the final drive ratio is too short.
The DI engine with the 6 speed automatic and the extra heft (even) of the AWD system certainly feels "spirited."
Such a combo may not win any drag races of the official type -- but the CTS DI AWD 6 speed auto is VERY quick and is, undoubtedly, as fast or faster than a super majority of other cars on the road at any price point.
What the heck, most of these ELLPS and LPS type cars are artificially speed limited. Therefore, there is a decent chance they're all "about" equally fast.
Why would anyone care anyway? How often do we really even have the "real estate" to exceed 130MPH?
Get a grip.
#1415 of 2880 Re: is DI engine 306hp CTS faster than regular Acura TL? [markcincinnati]
Sep 26, 2007 (6:15 pm)
markcincinnati - Why would anyone care anyway? How often do we really even have "real estate" to exceed 130MPG?
Real-estate isn't the problem, there's lots of real-estate. Stamina is the real issue. It is very difficult to drive at triple digit speeds for a long period of time. Very, very taxing on the body and mind. Besides, American highways aren't made for it. Imagine hitting a pothole while traveling at greater than two miles per minute (130MPH) OUCH, OUCH, OUCH !!!
#1416 of 2880 Re: website [knotem]
Sep 26, 2007 (6:27 pm)
knotem - They got the order to work without the moonroof. The PDW option (price unknown) was the trick. My fix to the moonroof issue is not to get one in the first place. I'll bet that in the near future they will replace the shade with an opaque one of some type.
#1417 of 2880 Pricing for PDW option group
Sep 26, 2007 (6:35 pm)
Does anyone know the price for the new PDW option group?
#1418 of 2880 Re: Pricing for PDW option group [thebug]
Sep 27, 2007 (5:11 am)
not sure yet..the PDR performance collection was $3300 MSRP....so that might give you a baseline.....to go from..
#1419 of 2880 Sunshade
Sep 27, 2007 (9:01 am)
I'd rather have the "mesh" or fabric sunshade that is on the 08 CTS versus some others I've seen. Bad comparison, but the one on the impala reminds me of a piece of plywood. About 3/4 inch thick.
I live in a 4 season climate and get 5 90 degree days a year - much rather have 50% light on most days that 0% or 100%.
#1420 of 2880 Re: Pricing for PDW option group [pao]
Sep 27, 2007 (12:57 pm)
pao - I going to guess 4.5K-5.5K because both options included in the PDR $3300, taken as individual options, they total $3940, which is $640 more. Adding Y40 $850 & Y41 $2050 brings it to $6815 as separate options. Using the same percentage ratio that they used on the Premium Lux Package which is 30% less than purchasing them as separate items (assuming they will), it falls between the above said price.
I just hope that they reveal the price (on line) before my order comes in, and the price negotiations begin. Otherwise without published prices, they can pretty much tell me anything. It will be interesting to see how they break it down.
#1421 of 2880 Re: Sunshade [pucks]
Sep 27, 2007 (1:26 pm)
pucks - As always, some people will like the shade as it is, just as you do. I think they should offer an option of two screen types, the current and a solid cover. Maybe they will as the MY progresses.
#1422 of 2880 Re: Pricing for PDW option group [thebug]
Sep 28, 2007 (4:13 am)
look at the invoice price as well...believe for the PDR its around $2700 so about $500 off the MSRP price....Im waiting to see the package now as well.....would be a good combination...found out through my buying service offered by my bank....and talking with my local dealer..I can get the car for $950 over invoice..regardless of options and that includes destination fee......probably the best deal around at the moment if you dont have a GM card or other related discount