Last post on Mar 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM
You are in the Cadillac CTS/CTS-V
What is this discussion about?
Cadillac CTS-V, Cadillac CTS, Sedan
#1061 of 2880 Re: Someone in corporate needs to be hit upside their head. [plekto]
Jul 22, 2007 (6:00 pm)
According to Zimbio.com the 300 hp CTS with the luxurious and performance options will cost about $50K.
According to my calculation, The Loaded CTS (All Wheel Drive) Total Price is $51.140 plus Tax and Licence:
6DP69 CTS 3.6L V6 WT DI(Automatic Transmission) $34,545.00
PDQ Premium Luxury Collection $8,165.00
(Y40) Luxury Level One Package
(Y40) Luxury Level Two Package
(y44) Seating Package
(UAV) Audio system with navigation
(C3U) Ultra View sunroof
(B19) Wood Trim Package
(B20) Wood Trim Package
(UG1) Universal Home Remote
PDR Performance Collection $3,300.00
Y43 18" All-Season SummerTire Performance Package with pdr $1,240.00
30U Thunder Grey Chromaflair premium paint $995.00
K05 Engine Block Heater $100.00
MX7 All Wheel Drive 6DP69 $1,900.00
ZAA Compact Spare Tire $250.00
Total Options $15,355.00+ $34,540.00 = $50,495.00 + California Sales Tax (8.25%) $4,165.84+ California Registration (around $600)
Grand Total $55,260.84
So we're talking $55K+ for the "so called" Entry Level Cadillac. Good Luck GM; you really need it.
I don’t write often on this board, but in January right after they revealed the new 08 CTS and the great acceptance Cadillac received in NAIAS, I predicted that the new model will cost around $50K, somebody corrected me and said that “no way that Cadillac will do that, because they had to compete, and predicted that the price will probably go around 2% higher than 2007 model”.
I admit that I was wrong, because it costs over $55k out the door.
#1062 of 2880 Re: Someone in corporate needs to be hit upside their head. [knotem]
Jul 22, 2007 (7:07 pm)
Now that you have managed to bash Cadillac go away.
Your numbers are about as skewed as they can get. No one else would include tax and license in calculating the base price of a car. Who in California needs the engine heater. I would rather have the included inflator kit than a 60 psi tire that probably won't be up to pressure when you need it because mounted in the tire well with the inflation valve down no one ever checks it. You didn't bother to take off the several thousand dollar discount from MSRP that every dealer gives if he expects to sell the car. And finally you are wrong about the increase over the previous year's price as a similarly equipped '07 ha a list price of over $700 more.
#1063 of 2880 Re: Someone in corporate needs to be hit upside their head. [knotem]
Jul 22, 2007 (7:31 pm)
Using the same method of calculating, a fully loaded 2007 BMW 3 come in at $63,380. So what's your point?
#1064 of 2880 Re: Someone in corporate needs to be hit upside their head. [knotem]
Jul 22, 2007 (7:36 pm)
You wouldn't order PDR & Y43. All the components that are in PDR are in Y43 with the exception of the Y44 seating package - and that's already in PDQ. Also, you cannot order PDQ with PDR.
I also noticed one footnote for the Y43 summer tire package that may not allow you to order AWD with it:
1 - Not available with (MX7) 6-speed automatic transmission AWD or (Y42) 18" All-Season Tire Performance Package.
Anyway, assuming you can order AWD, it would break down like this:
DI Model - 34,545
PDQ - 8,165
Y43 - 2,430
MX7/AWD - 1900
ZAA - 250
K05 - 100
30U - 995
48385 + 4,592 (CA tax reg) = $52,977
If you can't get AWD with the Y43 summer tire package (someone please check me on that-I really think you can't according to the online order guide), you're looking at $50,920.
Still high either way, but not quite $55k. Most buyers do not "check every box" on the order sheet as your example suggests. A well-equipped CTS (PDQ, Y42 & AWD) will come in at $47,500 including destination - and that's before any dealer discounts.
#1065 of 2880 California Sales Tax
Jul 22, 2007 (9:02 pm)
You have 8.25% sales tax on autos in California? That's outrageous. The car dealers ought to have enough clout to get it reduced. It's 3% here in NC.
Why would anyone want AWD in coastal CA?
#1066 of 2880 Re: California Sales Tax [ral1960]
Jul 23, 2007 (4:59 am)
Yeah really. I guess he was up all night trying to come up with the most expensive car possible and I'm yet to understand what his point is ?
The earlier post of $63K for the BMW 3 series usinghis methods proves a point.
#1067 of 2880 prices Re: Someone in corporate needs to be hit ... [knotem]
Jul 23, 2007 (5:15 am)
Well, without a true ‘configurator’ yet available on Cadillac.com ( or a dealer willing to ‘build’ & price various configurations for us ) it is difficult to definitively determine exactly what MSRP will result from various combinations.
Yet it seems quite clear that selecting both PDR and PDQ will not be possible – or logical.
A “fully loaded” 2008 CTS ( everything except AWD ) appears to be:
ZAA = $47K
+ AWD = $49K
Adding sales tax and registration ( that vary rather widely depending on delivery location ) seems to muddy the waters, at best.
And for one comparison data point: a run through pricing of the 2008 BMW 3 series online ( 335xi ) with all options including AWD yields an MSRP of over $55.5K – before sales tax, etc. With a few less official HP. And typically a bit less price flexibility – unless ED is an option that appeals.
And a 5 series ( dimensions suggest that this may be a valid comparison ) with the same motor is ( ahem ) more . . . [[ I pushed a 535xi to over $70K. ]]
And the CTS base 3.6L w/DI appears to be nearly $8K less than a base STS V6 with the same motor. I am hard pressed indeed to see anything close to $8K more ‘value’ in the STS.
Not a marketing ( or pricing ) genius, but . . .
Jul 23, 2007 (8:06 am)
Don't forget the incentives at the end of the year of 3-5K, plus GM dollars. That will drop the effective price of an average model to $40K.
P.S. This is why depreciation is so horrible on GM and Ford as well. Rebates *and* their credit cards that offer incentives. Every car effectively has the maximum "dollar" amount taken off as well(GM IIRC is now $3500, Ford is a little less). They really need to get rid of this as well if they want to improve things.
Jul 23, 2007 (9:14 am)
I've heard everything now. $50K sticker on a 6-banger Cadillac? Are you kidding me or what? Outrageous beyond words. This car in 3 years will be going through the auctions at $18K. If that.
#1070 of 2880 Re: $50K [kgabehurt]
Jul 23, 2007 (9:19 am)
There are tons of comparable cars that cost well over $50k. The CTS is hardly the most expensive car in this class. The e350 starts at about $50k and is the same size as the CTS and has less power. That's the STARTING price you decide which car is the better value.
BTW, that six cylinder CAdillac can be had for $32k if you skip all the fancy options.