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21519 messages, Last post on Dec 07, 2009 at 6:26 PM
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 07, 2009 8:39 am) Well, I'll try to keep an open mind. I almost certainly won't buy anything before the spring of 2011. By that time, the next generation M (assuming, of course, that I like it) will have been out for a year. (As a rule, I stay away from the 1st year of a new design.) Perhaps by then I'll have changed my mind about Audi.
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2009 12:38 pm) Again, I have to believe that most of those sales are concentrated in the South & Southwest. The Genesis is virtually invisible in the North. If a monster tsunami obliterated Boston next week, it would probably destroy 10,000 Mercedes Benzes, 12,000 BMWs, 25,000 Volvos (most of which would be sporting Obama '08 bumper stickers) & 11 Genesises.
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 5:09 pm) BTW, I took a quick ride over to our local H dealer and noticed the new 2010 Veracruz as it struck me as a CC of the RX. $10K less has to mean something to someone out there! The Gen coupe is quite striking in my view.  Agree there is a long road ahead for Hyundai to compete with the true lux brands, however. They are a poor man's Lexus today!  Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2009 7:00 pm) |
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Replying to: rockshocka1 (Nov 06, 2009 5:15 pm) I happened to be at the mall yesterday and got a chance to take a quick look at the Droid. I have to say I was less than blown away. It's smaller in person than it looks in pictures. I figured that the keyboard would be like the old HTC Touch Pro, but its even smaller than that and pretty much unusable. Too bad. At this point Sprint's Samsung Moment looks like the better phone. |
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 5:01 pm) That's a good rule to follow. These days it seems like everybody is struggling to get rid of bugs in the first year. I've started to hear of some QC issues on the 2010 E class already.
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 5:09 pm) Nicely put. |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 08, 2009 9:15 am) Agree with Jimbres: stay off 1st model year. Lexus isn't only getting really bland, IMO, quality glitches are more and more apparent by the day. The only real good looking one IMO is the GS, and it doesn't really have a good reputation to talk about. I wonder what Toyota is thinking... maybe it caught MB's disease back in the 90s? Arrogance syndrome that is...  Acura, it made a huge mistake trying to get independent from Honda. And as the result we get the Darth Vader of luxury auto design. Give the TL an all-black color treatment and you get the idea  (not to mention it's gotten way too expensive for a TL with no actual improvement over the old one, save for the SH-AWD). If only Infiniti is willing to fix the lack of refinement in it's products, it'd be a serious contender in class. Start with better cabin and more sound insulation. That said, G coupe is attractive, although somewhat, uh, less muscular compared to the old one, seems like it's taking the sleek look route now... |
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Despite it's relatively decent sales, it's population is scarce in the Northwest. So I'm curious, where did all those sales go to? SE? SW?.... Personally while I've warmed up to Genesis' appeal, I still can't say Hyundai is ready to be in the luxury world. No it's not the brand, but the below standard customer service (luxury class standard that is) plus the product's not-exactly-luxurious trimmings still leave me unimpressed. Alas, this comment sparked a lot of controversy over at Hyundai thread. A Gen coupe, now that's a different story. It's the first Hyundai to make me look twice at it. One exception though, please dump the wing. 
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My 2000, A6 2.7T, 6sp(mt) has been fantastic, it has 125K and still runs like a top, no major problems since I bought it used, and I drive it the way it was meant to b driven. It's my 2nd audi,(first was a 98 A4, also great!). Honestly, audi has gotten an unfair rap ever since the 'unexplained excelleration' issue of the 80's. Audi certainly has stepped up the technology and design improvement into their vehicle more than any one else. As far as the German, Japanesse argument goes, you pay a little more, and risk a little more with the german cars, but they deliver superior vehicles for comfort and performance. I recently tested bmw 5, audi a6, infiniti's m45x, and the acura tl. I was looking to replace my 'old' a6 , preferable with a manuel tranny. While all vehicle were great drives, at the end of the day, none were convinvcing enough to warrant a replacing my baby. My audi needs new cats, but I will get a one year extension on my emission rejection and live to shop another day. I do think car manufactures are finally competeing again, and that given the economic situation, deals will still be had for the future. I came amazingly close to buying my dream car, at a steep discount as well: a Porsche Cayenne GTS with a manuel tranny, and Porsche's Dynamic Chassy Control. I decided to wait a year or two and maybe look for a Turbo S. I've seen 2006 TurboS's for half of thier original sticker, now that's a deal! This is a great forum, with truley insightful input, but layoff the phone topics, and forget about the hyundais.
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