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These are what seems to be the "final" standings. If so, an Audi RS-4 placed 11th. 1. Cadillac CTS-V (John Heinricy): 2:46:560 2. Cadillac CTS-V (Brian Redman): 2:49:183 3. Cadillac CTS-V (Aaron Link): 2:48:902 4. BMW M3 (Michael Cooper): 2.50:424 5. Cadillac CTS-V (Jack Baruth): 2:51:153 6. Cadillac CTS-V (Lawrence Ulrich): 2:53:026 7. Cadillac CTS-V (Bob Lutz): 2:56:321 8. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X (Wes Siler): 3:08.126 9. BMW M5 (Michael Mainwald): 3:08:989 10. Cadillac CTS-V (Chris Fairman.): 3:14:292 11. Audi RS4 (Tom Loder): 3:15:702 12. Jaguar XF (Archan Basu): 3:16.670 I believe that these these standings were not quite final... So, the Audi and Jaguar changed positions.  No matter what... the Caddy certainly showed its stuff. Not a bad showing for one of my favorites... the BMW M3. TM |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 30, 2009 10:11 am)  Seriously, it seems there was quite a big gap between the first and the 12th classified; not so between the first and the 6th. Regards, Jose
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Replying to: jlbl (Oct 30, 2009 10:40 am) But, the main point has been made, regardless... The cadillac CTS-V is indeed a formidable vehicle with plenty of clout that deserves respect... perhaps more than it gets from certain circles. TM
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 30, 2009 10:51 am) I am still not convinced that GM's Cadillac is a world class elite car manufacturer by a wide margin. Also, when it comes to the full package, the list changes drastically in my view. Regards, OW |
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Hi I was wondering if you were really serious with the Mercedes, and now see you have re thought that position...I agree with you, as I really don`t think the Mercedes would excite you at all..Just too big...I was thinking of the diesel e, and dropped that idea also, although I do think the e is an attractive car, and think Mercedes is doing the right thing to offer the higher grade options if a person were to desire them.....Tony
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Oct 30, 2009 6:29 am) Who has a passion for Lexus technology and Lexus engineering? Dentists. |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 30, 2009 10:11 am) Technically the M3 won. The contest was "you come with whatever sedan you want and try to beat Bob Lutz in a CTS-V." Mr. Cooper did just that in his M3. The contest was never about beating Cadillac engineers and test drivers. I suspect if Motorsport actually got involved and brought their own engineers and test drivers, the M3 may well have been at the top of the board. In any case it succeeds at what it was always designed to be, a PR stunt for Cadillac. The CTS-V is an impressive machine, no doubt about that, but I wonder how long the whole V series will continue to exist when faced with the reality of the business. Based on Nurburgring times the CTS-V is the fastest thing with 4 doors short of a Panamera Turbo, but unlike GM, the Germans still have some money, and will continue to improve their cars.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 30, 2009 6:42 pm) Ahh, thank you LG for putting that in perspective. Yes, technically the M3 won. In any case it succeeds at what it was always designed to be, a PR stunt for Cadillac. That was quite obvious from the start. The question becomes, just how effective was it? GM has big hurdles to jump... even bigger than before, now that the world has witnessed its near collapse. The actual GM company itself, beyond its already questionable products, is further burdened with a negative stigma to overcome. I expect we'll be seeing plenty more PR attempts from GM down the road. TM
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 30, 2009 9:11 pm) Of course, that's been the GM culture for decades. It's always about the next stunt, or gimmick, or sale. The "V-series challenge" does nothing to move more Malibus, and it also sort of glosses over the fact that other than the CTS, the rest of the Vs are either dead or dying. There will certainly be no round two with an XLR-V against XKRs and Porsches. |
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