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love those audis by borno
Nov 11, 2009 (7:10 pm)
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Well, I've been looking for my next vehicle for over 6 months. The S4 is great, but too small, I'm 6'1 and have teenage kids,(size ruled out the TL as well). The S6 was considered, drove it, liked it, few and far between, only AWD super sedan, got some tough reviews due to weight, under performance from a V10, still an option though. 07/08 still holding in the mid/high 50's, stubborn about the new led drl and tail lights, as well as the new hard drive based nav in the 2010.
 
I found the right/rare car, Cayenne GTS with stick, chassy control, pano roof etc(can even tow respectably with it). Car stickers for 92.5, left over 09, available for $77K, good price, hard too pull the trigger. Actually had a dream, dealer called and offered it to me for $49,9, I'm a little crazy huh). Wife drives 04 Sienna AWD-loaded with 100k miles on it, other toy is '01 M3 convertible,stick. Super car!
 
I'm holding off for the short term, like driving a car with virtually no depreciation exp.
One never knows, also toying with the idea of European delivery of the new 5 series next year.
 
Watching for super deals on a cayenne, saw 08 left over turbo $109K sticker, asking $84K, that's my kind of deal.
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Re: love those audis [sbornstein] by lexusguy
Nov 11, 2009 (11:10 pm)
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Replying to: borno (Nov 11, 2009 7:10 pm)

got some tough reviews due to weight, under performance from a V10.
 
The S6 is indeed a heavy car, but in my experience the V10 is definitely not an under-performer. It doesn't have ridiculous power like the RS6, but the engine feels well matched to the capabilities of the car, and there's always plenty of power when you need it. The last AMG E class I drove had more grunt, but the car felt clumsy and couldn't really handle all that engine.
 
The front end of the 2010 S6 hasn't changed as far as I can tell, only the tail lights have been updated. The new MMI is nice, but I'm happy with the previous setup for as much as I need NAV. AMI is a good enough substitute for the hard drive for music storage.
 
I don't understand the appeal of super trucks like the Cayenne or X5 M. They are too small to be really useful like a GL, and they are far too tall and heavy to be really enjoyable to drive. Rather than spend $90K on a Cayenne, I'd much rather have something like a Boxster or TT-S and a 4Runner or something like that.
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Re: love those audis [sbornstein] by m4d_cow
Nov 12, 2009 (5:07 am)
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Replying to: borno (Nov 11, 2009 7:10 pm)

Interesting. I personally think the Cayenne feels far heavier than the S6, and it's nowhere near as comfortable as well. But I heard many dealers have leftover 09s (sometimes even 08s) which they discount deeply to lure buyers, so good deals are out there.
The V10 can be considered an underachiever when compared directly against M5 and E63, but it's nowhere near the word slow, or heavy IMO. And this is a matter of personal taste, but I don't like the revised rear end on the current A6/S6, front end feels mismatched with the rear end.
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audi s6 by borno
Nov 12, 2009 (7:50 am)
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Wow, you aren't kidding. Cayenne tipping it at 6,800, S6 only 4,800. I agree with both you, A6 more comfortable, sport truck a bit of a contradiction. Think I'll wait til the sienna goes,(could be a couple of years) and let the wife get a X5 for her next rig. Question: what is AMI you're referring to??
 
What don't you like abouth the rear leds? What's mismatched about led drls and led tail lights. I've looked for A6,(4.2), which would be a reasonable option, but you guys are right, the S6 would be a keeper. They are growing in numbers as they come off leases.
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Ok, more help by borno
Nov 12, 2009 (8:52 am)
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Re: audi s6 [sbornstein] by rockshocka1
Nov 12, 2009 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: borno (Nov 12, 2009 7:50 am)

Question: what is AMI you're referring to??
 
Audi Music Interface
 
link
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more help by borno
Nov 12, 2009 (10:02 am)
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Now that we have the car, what do you all think about mileage on used ones and colors? Saw quite a variety of used vehicles from 40K high $40s up to 15K for high $50s. Obviously I would only buy an Audi certified vehicle.
 
I don't think I could do a Black exterior, and I have had silver and greys that get boring. I like the white, or would consider the darker blue that came in 09. Interiors are limited. The silver is too light and will show wear and dirt, Grey is rare, Black is common and most likely the probable choice.
 
Will probably wait for a end of year deal, or mid-winter, eventhough they don't deal too much on these. 2010s are selling for sticker. I do like the led introduced in 09 and would love to have the new hard drive based nav, etc., but can't justify the $$. There should be more used vehicles turning up as time goes.
 
Any other thoughts??
Thanks for all the help!!
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still strruggling by borno
Nov 12, 2009 (10:19 am)
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Just read that the new 3.0T does 0-60 in 5.9, S6 only slighly better at 5.7, really thinking to look for agreesive lease or slighlty used A6, 4.2. After all, it's still meant to be a family sedan. I have my 01M3converible, with hardtop, to tool aroung in if necessary. Considered leasing, but that's really not me. I also think 2010s have a new optional sport suspension option.
 
Now too really cloud things. I'd love to consider European delivery!! Everything I've read points to a great experience. Doesn't save you a ton, but pretty much covers your flight costs.
 
Sorry too be all over the place, but you understand...thanks again!!!!!!!
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2010 Jaguar XJ Supersport is the best by Pavarotti
Nov 12, 2009 (10:49 am)
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The best looking, best handling, best interior, best value of luxo sedans in its class.
 
In addition, new Jaguar's reliability is far superior to MB, BMW and Audi.
 
The Cat strikes Back!!! PURRRRRRRR
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Re: still strruggling [sbornstein] by lexusguy
Nov 12, 2009 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: borno (Nov 12, 2009 10:19 am)

Just read that the new 3.0T does 0-60 in 5.9, S6 only slighly better at 5.7, really thinking to look for agreesive lease or slighlty used A6, 4.2.
 
The S6 is much quicker than 5.7. That's what Edmunds reported, but they also reported 7.9 seconds for the 3.2 and 7.1 seconds for the 4.2 back when the A6 was first reviewed, about half a second slow in both cases. The S6 will do 60 in five flat, possibly less. The 3.0T and the FSI V8 introduced for '07 are in the high 5s, so there would have to be something seriously wrong with the S6 for it not be any faster than that.
 
As for a used A6, I'd recommend a certified '07 4.2 S-line. Most will have black interiors, but gray isn't unheard of. It's the beige that's impossible to find in S-line guise, though they do exist. I never liked the beige in the C6 car anyway, the yellow wood is just too ugly. The beige in the C5 car with the red wood was much more attractive.
 
If you'd like to go on a trip to Ingolstadt anyway to see the Audi history museum and whatnot, the ED program can make sense. Otherwise its not really worth it.

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