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Replying to: dewey (Oct 29, 2009 2:58 pm) Back in 67 we didn`t really care that much about the drive, as no one I knew had any money to spare on fancy cars.....Now if we did, if would be for a Parsche, and as you know it certainly wasn`t plush......Sorry you missed the discouraged financial opinions recently, as you know you could have made some good points---oh well all in the past......Tony |
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This... according to the White House... Edmunds.com's "faulty analysis suggesting that the cash for clunkers program had no meaningful impact on our economy or on overall auto sales. This is the latest of several critical 'analyses' of the cash for clunkers program from Edmunds.com, which appear designed to grab headlines and get coverage on cable TV," the White House said on its blog Thursday afternoon. "Like many of their previous attempts, this latest claim doesn't withstand even basic scrutiny." This... according to Mike Jackson, chairman and CEO of AutoNation... While Edmunds is usually highly respected within the automotive industry for its accuracy and reliability, he said, its analysis of the cash for clunkers program is "shoddy." "Simply put, they've misrepresented the facts, and the White House is completely justified in calling them out on it," Jackson said, adding that it appears "Edmunds' political views have tainted their usual rigorous approach to research." "I know from our sales at AutoNation just how significant the impact of the cash for clunkers promotion was in our dealerships, and our own internal figures indicate that the rate of increase was consistent with what other retailers, manufacturers and governmental agencies have been estimating," he said. "We believe that the incremental sales are over 500,000 new vehicles. Edmunds may not want to believe Ford or General Motors or Moody's or the White House or any of the dozens of other reliable parties who saw significant sales increases as a direct and indirect result of the program, but that doesn't make the increases any less real." Sounds like Edmunds and Edmunds CEO Jeremy Anwyl are in a bit of a pickle on this one. You guys can decide for yourself. Here's the link. link title TM
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Evidence mounting that 2010 Audi S4 is underrated Everyone knows that the BMW 335i is the most underrated car currently on the market in terms of raw thrust and grunt. BMW claims 300 hp and 300 torques, but even dogs know that BMW's trick 3.0-liter twin-turbo engine puts out much closer to 350 hp and 350 tire-spinning pound feet of torque. Why? Well, lower insurance rates for their customers probably isn't one of the reasons. However, remember that when the E90/E92 3 Series came out, BMW was still selling the 333 horsepower E46 M3. Meaning that it would be pretty hard to sell an older, $55,000 car with less power than a newer and just as quick $40,000 car. Or so the theory goes, though we should point out that BMW engineers angrily call us liars when we bring this scenario up. And guess what? Looks like Audi is pulling the same trick with their new supercharged S4. Volkswagen and Audi tuner APR stuck a 2010 Audi S4 on an AWD-dyno and discovered the following. Instead of the 333 hp and 325 torques Audi is claiming, they pulled 331 hp and 336 pound-feet of torque... at the wheels! Figuring that AWD cars have about a 20% parasitic drivetrain power loss, the actual crank output of the S4 is huge. How huge? By our calculations just about 400 horsepower/torques. link title |
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I think this post should be allowed since it's related to one of the luxury marques I've just read that the entire production run of the LFA will be just 500 cars. So, this car is already a classic even before they make them. It should at least double in value by the time people can actually buy them off the leases. link title Scrap that real estate investment idea... I am ready with my deposit. I hope they will save a copy for me. 
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 29, 2009 8:02 pm) No surprise that Edmunds has changed over the years but some aspects of the changes do NOT produce accurate analysis. The feel of the site has faded recently from my POV. As far as posting off topic comments, there was a time when Luxury Lounge included all things of luxury including the financial world which leads to the means to squire Luxury vehicles in the first place. The strictness lately has reflected some of the junk that is flowing down hill from the Executive Suite, no doubt.  Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Oct 30, 2009 7:37 am) |
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a month of hiatus and I missed all the good stuff 
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These are what seems to be the "final" standings. If so, an Audi RS-4 placed 11th. 1. Cadillac CTS-V (John Heinricy): 2:46:560 2. Cadillac CTS-V (Brian Redman): 2:49:183 3. Cadillac CTS-V (Aaron Link): 2:48:902 4. BMW M3 (Michael Cooper): 2.50:424 5. Cadillac CTS-V (Jack Baruth): 2:51:153 6. Cadillac CTS-V (Lawrence Ulrich): 2:53:026 7. Cadillac CTS-V (Bob Lutz): 2:56:321 8. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X (Wes Siler): 3:08.126 9. BMW M5 (Michael Mainwald): 3:08:989 10. Cadillac CTS-V (Chris Fairman.): 3:14:292 11. Audi RS4 (Tom Loder): 3:15:702 12. Jaguar XF (Archan Basu): 3:16.670 I believe that these these standings were not quite final... So, the Audi and Jaguar changed positions.  No matter what... the Caddy certainly showed its stuff. Not a bad showing for one of my favorites... the BMW M3. TM |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 30, 2009 10:11 am)  Seriously, it seems there was quite a big gap between the first and the 12th classified; not so between the first and the 6th. Regards, Jose
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Replying to: jlbl (Oct 30, 2009 10:40 am) But, the main point has been made, regardless... The cadillac CTS-V is indeed a formidable vehicle with plenty of clout that deserves respect... perhaps more than it gets from certain circles. TM
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