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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [jimbres] by lexusguy
Nov 07, 2009 (8:45 am)
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That's why I'm keenly interested in the upcoming 2011 Infiniti M. If it can deliver 90+% of the driving pleasure of a comparable German car together with the level of reliability that we associate with a top-tier Japanese brand, it might just be my next car.

 
That's what I'm expecting from it. I also want to see if the NAV and electronics are anything new. Infinitis current system is decent enough, but not great when compared to the latest MMI system, or even COMAND.
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [jimbres] by lexusguy
Nov 07, 2009 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 7:34 am)

But I do think that Hyundai rushed it to market without sorting out everything. The suspension, for example, seems to be a work in progress.
 
That's what I've heard. I took a look at one awhile back, wasn't impressed. It's a nice enough looking car, it doesn't offend like the TL, but there's nothing really attractive about it either. The interior just seemed like the Azera's, nothing special. It could make a compelling used car for some, provided they actually hold up longer than 3 years (not a Hyundai strong suit), but it doesn't tempt me away from Audi.
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [jimbres] by circlew
Nov 07, 2009 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 7:34 am)

Well, here are the comparisons from 2008 for you to review..While I agree with you it needs to improve, the Gen is doing quite well in the current market..
 

 
...and ytd 9/09.
 
CARLINE SEPTEMBER/2009 SEPTEMBER/2008 CY/2009 CY/2008
 
ACCENT 4,864 3,014 55,525 44,393
SONATA 7,898 8,629 93,575 97,442
ELANTRA 7,513 3,681 82,706 86,144
TIBURON 37 677 8,579 7,730
SANTA FE 7,010 4,676 58,067 56,629
AZERA 339 483 2,932 13,437
TUCSON 1,583 1,294 12,772 16,247
ENTOURAGE 28 455 3,423 4,360
VERACRUZ 574 827 8,704 8,427
GENESIS 1,665 1,029 15,934 2,855
TOTAL 31,511 24,765 342,217 337,664
 
Should sell at least 19K units in 2009.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [lexusguy] by jimbres
Nov 07, 2009 (5:01 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 07, 2009 8:39 am)

You say BMW is better, I say the Audi of today, not 8 years ago, is better than BMW.
 
Well, I'll try to keep an open mind. I almost certainly won't buy anything before the spring of 2011. By that time, the next generation M (assuming, of course, that I like it) will have been out for a year. (As a rule, I stay away from the 1st year of a new design.)
 
Perhaps by then I'll have changed my mind about Audi.
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [circlew] by jimbres
Nov 07, 2009 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2009 12:38 pm)

Gen is doing quite well in the current market
 
Again, I have to believe that most of those sales are concentrated in the South & Southwest. The Genesis is virtually invisible in the North.
 
If a monster tsunami obliterated Boston next week, it would probably destroy 10,000 Mercedes Benzes, 12,000 BMWs, 25,000 Volvos (most of which would be sporting Obama '08 bumper stickers) & 11 Genesises.
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [jimbres] by circlew
Nov 07, 2009 (7:00 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 5:09 pm)

Probably due to no AWD from what I can gather. Still, they are selling them somewhere.
 
BTW, I took a quick ride over to our local H dealer and noticed the new 2010 Veracruz as it struck me as a CC of the RX. $10K less has to mean something to someone out there! The Gen coupe is quite striking in my view.
 

 
Agree there is a long road ahead for Hyundai to compete with the true lux brands, however. They are a poor man's Lexus today!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [circlew] by anthonyp
Nov 07, 2009 (7:20 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2009 7:00 pm)

That`s a pretty sky in the background Tony
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [rockshocka1] by lexusguy
Nov 08, 2009 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: rockshocka1 (Nov 06, 2009 5:15 pm)

LG, I know it just came out, but any opinion on the Droid that dropped today? I read many reviews of it's flaws, but the common conclusion was it's the best phone Verizon has available.
 
I happened to be at the mall yesterday and got a chance to take a quick look at the Droid. I have to say I was less than blown away. It's smaller in person than it looks in pictures. I figured that the keyboard would be like the old HTC Touch Pro, but its even smaller than that and pretty much unusable. Too bad. At this point Sprint's Samsung Moment looks like the better phone.
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [jimbres] by lexusguy
Nov 08, 2009 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 5:01 pm)

(As a rule, I stay away from the 1st year of a new design.)
 
That's a good rule to follow. These days it seems like everybody is struggling to get rid of bugs in the first year. I've started to hear of some QC issues on the 2010 E class already.
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [jimbres] by cdnpinhead
Nov 08, 2009 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 5:09 pm)

If a monster tsunami obliterated Boston next week, it would probably destroy 10,000 Mercedes Benzes, 12,000 BMWs, 25,000 Volvos (most of which would be sporting Obama '08 bumper stickers) & 11 Genesises [sic].
 
Nicely put.

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