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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 06, 2009 6:00 pm) According to JD power VDS reports, 2005 Audis were around the industry average after 3 years, worse than BMW, but slightly better than Mercedes. For 2006 Mercedes was up slightly, BMW made no improvement, and Audi made huge strides, ranking ahead of BMW and just below Honda. Audi said in an Automotive News article a couple of weeks ago that they made a system wide effort to improve quality a few years back, and it is paying off. If I'm going to buy a car tomorrow, I would have more confidence in a 2010 A6 than I would in a 2010 5 series, especially the xi version which has a very poor record. I would also have more confidence in the A6 than a 2010 Lexus GS AWD, which according to CR, continues to be a rattle trap plagued with issues. You say BMW is better, I say the Audi of today, not 8 years ago, is better than BMW.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 06, 2009 2:29 pm) I do not agree with you about Acura when it comes to interior quality: both my TL and the new TSX has really nice high quality interior materials and the ergonomics and build quality/fit and finish of the TSX is just top notch: I have never read any professional review on edmunds, motor trend, car and driver, consumer reports, etc that stated Acura, or for that matter Lexus, having lousy interior's with bad interior materials/quality and fit/finish: if anything, Infiniti I would say is still slightly behind Acura and Lexus in regards to interior quality/fit and finish, and ergonomics and has a minor few cheap interior plastics and hard surfaces that they need to get rid of but with the EX35 and the 2011 M it looks like Infiniti will have solved these minor problems and hopefully they will do that with the next generation G since that is Infiniti's bread and butter: In regards to German reliability, it has improved but they still have ways to go for catching up to the Japanese in reliability according to 2009s consumer reports and US News and World Report: here is a quick quote out of Consumer Reports For This years car manufactures: "Europe Rebounding: While the resurgence of Mercedes-Benz reliability remains the big news out of Europe, though a third of their models we surveyed still have moderate reliability problems. Two-thirds of Audi's lineup scored avg or better in reliability. It's sister brand, VW, has several models rating average or better in our survey, but the Passat sedan, Tourag SUV, and EOS convertible have not done well: BMW has shown the best progress of the big three German makers in recent years, with most versions of the 3-series and some 5-series being avg or better. The 6 series improved to above average" the German automakers make some very nice vehicles, but I do not buy or lease them because you pay thousands of dollars more for the same technology or option extras in the German vehicles that you can get either standard or in much less expensive option packages in the Japanese vehicles: plus with the Japanese vehicles your getting a better CHANCE of having a much more reliable and trouble-free car for thousands of dollars less then their German counterparts! Just My Two Cents, But I would Say that the Majority of Professional Reviewers stretching from Consumer reports to MotorTrend would agree with me!! |
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 6:12 am) That's why I'm keenly interested in the upcoming 2011 Infiniti M. If it can deliver 90+% of the driving pleasure of a comparable German car together with the level of reliability that we associate with a top-tier Japanese brand, it might just be my next car. That's what I'm expecting from it. I also want to see if the NAV and electronics are anything new. Infinitis current system is decent enough, but not great when compared to the latest MMI system, or even COMAND. |
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 7:34 am) That's what I've heard. I took a look at one awhile back, wasn't impressed. It's a nice enough looking car, it doesn't offend like the TL, but there's nothing really attractive about it either. The interior just seemed like the Azera's, nothing special. It could make a compelling used car for some, provided they actually hold up longer than 3 years (not a Hyundai strong suit), but it doesn't tempt me away from Audi. |
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 7:34 am)  ...and ytd 9/09. CARLINE SEPTEMBER/2009 SEPTEMBER/2008 CY/2009 CY/2008 ACCENT 4,864 3,014 55,525 44,393 SONATA 7,898 8,629 93,575 97,442 ELANTRA 7,513 3,681 82,706 86,144 TIBURON 37 677 8,579 7,730 SANTA FE 7,010 4,676 58,067 56,629 AZERA 339 483 2,932 13,437 TUCSON 1,583 1,294 12,772 16,247 ENTOURAGE 28 455 3,423 4,360 VERACRUZ 574 827 8,704 8,427 GENESIS 1,665 1,029 15,934 2,855 TOTAL 31,511 24,765 342,217 337,664 Should sell at least 19K units in 2009. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 07, 2009 8:39 am) Well, I'll try to keep an open mind. I almost certainly won't buy anything before the spring of 2011. By that time, the next generation M (assuming, of course, that I like it) will have been out for a year. (As a rule, I stay away from the 1st year of a new design.) Perhaps by then I'll have changed my mind about Audi.
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2009 12:38 pm) Again, I have to believe that most of those sales are concentrated in the South & Southwest. The Genesis is virtually invisible in the North. If a monster tsunami obliterated Boston next week, it would probably destroy 10,000 Mercedes Benzes, 12,000 BMWs, 25,000 Volvos (most of which would be sporting Obama '08 bumper stickers) & 11 Genesises.
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2009 5:09 pm) BTW, I took a quick ride over to our local H dealer and noticed the new 2010 Veracruz as it struck me as a CC of the RX. $10K less has to mean something to someone out there! The Gen coupe is quite striking in my view.  Agree there is a long road ahead for Hyundai to compete with the true lux brands, however. They are a poor man's Lexus today!  Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2009 7:00 pm) |
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Replying to: rockshocka1 (Nov 06, 2009 5:15 pm) I happened to be at the mall yesterday and got a chance to take a quick look at the Droid. I have to say I was less than blown away. It's smaller in person than it looks in pictures. I figured that the keyboard would be like the old HTC Touch Pro, but its even smaller than that and pretty much unusable. Too bad. At this point Sprint's Samsung Moment looks like the better phone. |
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