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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [blkhemi] by tayl0rd
Nov 03, 2009 (5:25 am)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 28, 2009 1:39 pm)

Wow! I will get out of the passing lane if I see your mom in that S6! She sounds a lot like my mom, who 94, drives her 2004 SL500 like she stole it! No Buick Roadmasters, Mercury GM's, or Lincoln TC's in her garage! Just that and my late father's 2006 Dodge Ram 3500 dually that she refuses to sell as that it is what she uses to pull our Coachmen when going to the mountains(of course she makes me drive!). She refuses to stop... Ah, and the old man bought a brand new '06 Z06 before he passed on 93! ...
 
Stories like this give me reassurance that I don't have to give up performance cars or performance driving just because I'm aging! Here I'm only 38, yet I wonder if I'm getting too old to be dreaming of buying another Mustang GT and modding it up to near race levels. (Performance racing, not drag racing.) I know, it's not a high end car! But let's face it. Not all of us want (or can afford) to buy 911s, M3s (and 911. Plus, that's where a good 60% of the fun comes from; modding it!
 
Anyways, I'm rambling. Back on point, it's nice to hear that old folks are still doin' it up behind the wheel!
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Re: The "Race" [lexusguy] by tayl0rd
Nov 03, 2009 (5:35 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 28, 2009 5:00 pm)

... US auto blogs don't have Top Gear's kind of power to just assemble a bunch of supercars on a track whenever they feel like it.
 
What do you mean? I'm pretty sure they can. In fact, as I recall, some years back when C&D or Motor Trend tested the Ford GT, that was an owner's car. When the Enzo was tested, that was an owner's car. When the Carrera GT was tested, that was an owner's car. When the Continental GT was tested, that was an owner's car; an Iranian sheik, IIRC. Along with many more tests. They may not be able to always get them from the manufacturers, but they don't have problems getting the cars. As you can see, there are tons of supercar owners who have to problem lending their rides out to the mags for testing. Some enjoy it as they get a chance to see the performance abilities of their new toy; not to mention the bragging rights at the lodge to be able to tell the rest of the puff-&-fluff club, "Hey, that's my car in that review."
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?? by jlbl
Nov 03, 2009 (11:32 am)
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TM, in which experiments are you involved?
 
This is an e-mail received today from Nature Science Journal Group:
 
  Nature Publishing Group
        Asunto: At Last, a Convenient Alternative to TaqMan
 
Oh, I know it was TaqMan.
But before realizing it, I was sincerely astonished!
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: ?? [jlbl] by dewey
Nov 05, 2009 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Nov 03, 2009 11:32 am)

TaqMan probes are hydrolysis probes developed by Applied Biosystems to increase the specificity of real-time PCR assays. The TaqMan probe principle relies on the 5´–3´ nuclease activity of Taq polymerase to cleave a dual-labelled probe during hybridization to the complementary target sequence and fluorophore-based detection.[1] As in other real-time PCR methods, the resulting fluorescence signal permits quantitative measurements of the accumulation of the product during the exponential stages of the PCR; however, the TaqMan probe significantly increases the specificity of the detection.
 
You know Jose I think this Taqman Probe thing is very dangerous and can cause immediate extintion within this forum.
 
Taqman probes are not as engaging as "Hey I got a hot hot stock for you to buy today". Or I think the "Dow Jones will be 11683 by Feb 27th leap year or no leap year".
Who knows maybe just maybe luxury cars or performance cars may draw more attention than the Taqman Probe? Or maybe not?
 
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Re: ?? [dewey] by tagman
Nov 05, 2009 (10:56 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 05, 2009 9:56 am)

You know Jose I think this Taqman Probe thing is very dangerous and can cause immediate extintion within this forum.
 
I agree. I, for one, have nothing more to say here... especially about stocks.
 
Maybe I should change my name to ProbeMan... although that name is probably in use on an adult website.
 
Goodbye and good luck. Immediate extinction engaged.
 
TM
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [lexusguy] by smarty666
Nov 05, 2009 (6:03 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 02, 2009 7:35 am)

well they might be better but they still have a long way to go; I' have a 2010 Maxima SV from the Tenn plant and I have three separate vibrations/rattles in the car since day one! having a Nissan regional specialist by so I can have her hear the noises
 
It's been my experience over the years, at least with the Japanese manufactures, that the Acura's, Infiniti's, and Lexus's products I've had over the years that have been completely built and assembled in the Japanese plants and shipped over on the boat have had absolutely no problems in regards to quality control, build quality, rattles, etc: whereas, the Acura's, Nissans, and Toyota's I have had over the years built and assembled in American Plants have had quality, rattles, and other problems
 
Here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about: take Acura for instance: I had a TSX one time, completely made in Japan and had not one rattle or problem with the car: my second TL, built and assembled in Ohio, has been filled with quality issues and rattles that can't be fixed: when I got my TL, there was a green stain on the front driver carpet floor, the ambient cabin lighting did not work, the auto-up feature on the driver door did not work, when hitting the trunk release the trunk did not pop open, and the rear tail-lights developed terrible condensation when it rained, was foggy, etc: suffice it to say I had a completely different quality control experience with my TL then I did with the TSX and the only difference between the two cars was where they were built and assembled; luckily all those issues I just mentioned with my 08 TL were replaced and fixed by my Acura dealer but a brand new car should not have been delivered to me in that condition
 
now I know not everyone will have the same experience but that is what I have seen and dealt with over the years: I'm not saying that every vehicle completely made in Japan is perfect because I am sure there are some cars from Japan that were missed for quality checks but not as often as I've seen with the American plants; the majority of the people I talked to have seen and felt the same trend in quality control between the American and Japanese Plants that I have!
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [smarty666] by m4d_cow
Nov 06, 2009 (6:04 am)
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Replying to: smarty666 (Nov 05, 2009 6:03 pm)

Can't argue with that. My TSX served me for over 3 years with absolutely zero problems, needing no more than scheduled fluid change and normal wear items replacements. While my previous Civic had almost as much problems as my Escape, which was ridiculous. On a side note, TSX is considered as one of the most reliable cars ever in existence, so comparing it might be a bit hard to do.
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An interesting question by m4d_cow
Nov 06, 2009 (6:10 am)
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A college junior connected to me through the alumni network asked me this question yesterday:
 
"When a specific make/model comes with a twin or clones like GM's Lambda quadruplets or the Ford-Mercury lineup, how do you decide which one to choose from, particularly in used form?
I'm currently trying to make up my mind between a Subaru WRX wagon and Saab's 9-2x, and this whole twin, triplet, quadruplet thing is killing me."

 
That's it. What do you guys think?
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Re: Status quo, yet so different... [smarty666] by lexusguy
Nov 06, 2009 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: smarty666 (Nov 05, 2009 6:03 pm)

the majority of the people I talked to have seen and felt the same trend in quality control between the American and Japanese Plants that I have!
 
In many cases that's true, though there are plenty of examples where it is not. The Mazda3 for example is built in Mazda's Hiroshima plant, and has been very reliable. The Mazda6 comes from Flat Rock MI, and doesn't have a great record. The CX-7 and CX-9 though are both built in Japan, and both have terrible quality records.
 
The Japanese built 2005 Acura RL had loads of electrical problems, and the earliest cars were sent to dealers without the AWD system diff fluid in place, which lead to the system completely locking up.
 
The worst new car introduction in Lexus' history in terms of quality was the Japanese built '06 GS300 AWD. The '07 ES350 also shared the transmission problems of the '07 Camry V6, despite being built in Japan. The previous gen Infiniti G35s that burned through their brake rotors after 10K miles were also Japanese built.
 
The average Japanese assembled car will probably have fewer rattles, tighter gaps, etc. than the average NA assembled car from a Japanese brand, but there's certainly no guarantee of getting a flawless car just because it came from Japan.
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Re: An interesting question [m4d_cow] by lexusguy
Nov 06, 2009 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 06, 2009 6:10 am)

"When a specific make/model comes with a twin or clones like GM's Lambda quadruplets or the Ford-Mercury lineup, how do you decide which one to choose from, particularly in used form?
 
If the only difference is the styling, then pick the one that looks better. The Fusion/Milan twins for example are almost identical except for their grilles, lights, and a couple of trim pieces. I hate the Fusion's enormous razor blade grille, so I'd go with a Milan.
 
The so called "Saabaru" was not identical to a WRX. If I remember correctly, it had things like leather seats, automatic climate control, and an automatic transmission. The vast majority of WRXes out there are going to have cloth seats and sticks.

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