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Replying to: jlbl (Oct 28, 2009 8:21 am) The "pro" challengers are Jalopnik, Jack Baruth from TTAC, and Lawrence Ulrich from the NYT. Unfortunately no manufacturer wants to supply them with a car, so the contest has devolved from "may the best car win" to "can somebody please beat Bob Lutz". Not much to see here unfortunately. US auto blogs don't have Top Gear's kind of power to just assemble a bunch of supercars on a track whenever they feel like it.
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Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 28, 2009 12:33 pm) The A7 looks like a sweet machine indeed. I'm perfectly fine if Audi decides to leave future A1s and A2s in Europe, but they really should bring the A7 to these shores. |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Oct 28, 2009 12:33 pm) True. And that is exactly why I find them cramped. My kids complained about my BMW 335i. Future European car design will change in the future especially in terms of interior rear space. Why? Because Chinese tastes will have a big affect on how cars are designed in the future. By then it will probablybe far too late for me since I may end up being an empty nester who yearns to have a two seater in 2019 BEIJING -- A decade ago, in search of inspiration for an ultra-luxurious Mercedes-Benz, designer Olivier Boulay studied Japan's chauffeur-car culture. Now, as he dreams about the future of the automobile, he zips around the streets of Beijing on a $367 electric bike, along with throngs of the city's residents. "China is the perfect place to think about the future shape of mobility," said Mr. Boulay, the 52-year-old design chief for Daimler AG's Mercedes-Benz unit in China, who moved to Beijing from Tokyo this year. "It's my job here to push my staff to push the envelope and think about the global automotive future from Beijing." Mr. Boulay reflects a profound shift taking place in the car industry. As the Chinese car market expands, global auto makers increasingly are making design decisions in China. The result is that consumer trends in China are being felt in models sold around the world. While China accounts for only about 4% of overall Mercedes sales, customers around the world are seeing features the Chinese like: bigger, limousine-like back seats with more-advanced entertainment and climate-control systems Wall Street Journal |
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Replying to: reality2 (Oct 28, 2009 1:26 pm) My mother too is from Hamburg, Germany and despite that she's no enthusiast since she learned her driving here in North America in a 67 Ford 500 Custom. That kind of car would pre-empt anyone from becoming an enthusiast.
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Replying to: clembo (Oct 28, 2009 2:20 pm) Almost sounds like your Audi dealership is run by the same guys who ran my BMW dealership
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 29, 2009 2:58 pm) Back in 67 we didn`t really care that much about the drive, as no one I knew had any money to spare on fancy cars.....Now if we did, if would be for a Parsche, and as you know it certainly wasn`t plush......Sorry you missed the discouraged financial opinions recently, as you know you could have made some good points---oh well all in the past......Tony |
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This... according to the White House... Edmunds.com's "faulty analysis suggesting that the cash for clunkers program had no meaningful impact on our economy or on overall auto sales. This is the latest of several critical 'analyses' of the cash for clunkers program from Edmunds.com, which appear designed to grab headlines and get coverage on cable TV," the White House said on its blog Thursday afternoon. "Like many of their previous attempts, this latest claim doesn't withstand even basic scrutiny." This... according to Mike Jackson, chairman and CEO of AutoNation... While Edmunds is usually highly respected within the automotive industry for its accuracy and reliability, he said, its analysis of the cash for clunkers program is "shoddy." "Simply put, they've misrepresented the facts, and the White House is completely justified in calling them out on it," Jackson said, adding that it appears "Edmunds' political views have tainted their usual rigorous approach to research." "I know from our sales at AutoNation just how significant the impact of the cash for clunkers promotion was in our dealerships, and our own internal figures indicate that the rate of increase was consistent with what other retailers, manufacturers and governmental agencies have been estimating," he said. "We believe that the incremental sales are over 500,000 new vehicles. Edmunds may not want to believe Ford or General Motors or Moody's or the White House or any of the dozens of other reliable parties who saw significant sales increases as a direct and indirect result of the program, but that doesn't make the increases any less real." Sounds like Edmunds and Edmunds CEO Jeremy Anwyl are in a bit of a pickle on this one. You guys can decide for yourself. Here's the link. link title TM
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Evidence mounting that 2010 Audi S4 is underrated Everyone knows that the BMW 335i is the most underrated car currently on the market in terms of raw thrust and grunt. BMW claims 300 hp and 300 torques, but even dogs know that BMW's trick 3.0-liter twin-turbo engine puts out much closer to 350 hp and 350 tire-spinning pound feet of torque. Why? Well, lower insurance rates for their customers probably isn't one of the reasons. However, remember that when the E90/E92 3 Series came out, BMW was still selling the 333 horsepower E46 M3. Meaning that it would be pretty hard to sell an older, $55,000 car with less power than a newer and just as quick $40,000 car. Or so the theory goes, though we should point out that BMW engineers angrily call us liars when we bring this scenario up. And guess what? Looks like Audi is pulling the same trick with their new supercharged S4. Volkswagen and Audi tuner APR stuck a 2010 Audi S4 on an AWD-dyno and discovered the following. Instead of the 333 hp and 325 torques Audi is claiming, they pulled 331 hp and 336 pound-feet of torque... at the wheels! Figuring that AWD cars have about a 20% parasitic drivetrain power loss, the actual crank output of the S4 is huge. How huge? By our calculations just about 400 horsepower/torques. link title |
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I think this post should be allowed since it's related to one of the luxury marques I've just read that the entire production run of the LFA will be just 500 cars. So, this car is already a classic even before they make them. It should at least double in value by the time people can actually buy them off the leases. link title Scrap that real estate investment idea... I am ready with my deposit. I hope they will save a copy for me. 
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