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Re: New car search begins [2001gs430] by cyclone4
Jul 04, 2009 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Jul 04, 2009 4:00 am)

I bet that some folks here will say that I am biased since we just purchased the RX450h, but I honestly think that this (450h) is the vehicle that meets all your criteria. I can't wait to drive it when we get home Monday. In my short test drive, I also that it it handles very well (considerably improved over the RX400h) and it is SO much more comfortable. I think that once you give this car a test drive, you will love it.
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Re: New car search begins [tagman] by lexusguy
Jul 04, 2009 (6:02 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 04, 2009 3:30 pm)

and if he is comfortable enough with the idea of owning a "wagon". Many folks aren't for one reason or another.
 
Yeah after I thought about it for a minute, only the A4 or the 328i wagons fit. They actually have more space in back than I thought. For some reason the cargo space listing on New Car Test Drive is completely wrong. The Avant has 50 cubes with the seats down, not 34. That's actually not that far off from the compact utes, which have around 65-75. The 328 xDrive wagon has 48. The Volvo V50 wagon has the most space at 62, but the T5 AWD version is unlikely to average 25mpg. I also don't think it's nearly as nice as the Audi or BMW.
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Re: New car search begins [tagman] by theanimal
Jul 04, 2009 (6:25 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 04, 2009 3:30 pm)

I agree, it is a great recommendation. It show's just how out of my mind (and most other peoples) a wagon is, as I recommended the A4, but didn't even think of the avant version. I would love my wife to get an A6 Avant as her next car, but that will be up to her.
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Re: New car search begins [lexusguy] by circlew
Jul 04, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 04, 2009 12:25 pm)

What about the new Toyota Venza? Nice looker IMHO.
 

 
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OW
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Re: I agree [dhamilton] by dewey
Jul 04, 2009 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Jul 04, 2009 5:50 am)

with everyone about not being wasteful and such, but then I go to you tube and hear the Aston Martin DBS's 6.0 V12 roar, and it's kind of a "you had me at hello" thing.
 
How's this for non-wastefulness
 
Toyota iQ will have a Aston Martin version with its 3 cylinder 67 hp engine. So much for the future of wastefulness
 

 
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Re: Electric (Light but not Cheap) Luxury Orchestra [jlbl] by dewey
Jul 04, 2009 (7:30 pm)
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Replying to: jlbl (Jul 04, 2009 9:39 am)

Jose, you are just too European.
 
I talked to my cousin from Germany and I told him I will replace my BMW with a Prius and he immediately said why not a diesel VW, Benz or BMW?
 
He was persuasive but not persuasive enough.
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Re: That Argentinan Woman [2001gs430] by dewey
Jul 04, 2009 (7:40 pm)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Jul 04, 2009 4:08 am)

The Prius is more roomy for three people behind than a Audi A4 Avant. The hump in the rear of the Audi is overbearing for any third person who is not smaller than Jiminy Cricket.
 
The cargo space of the the Prius is quite generous. For such a small car with such a big battery the space efficiency is phenemonal.
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Re: New car search begins [cyclone4] by lexusguy
Jul 04, 2009 (7:43 pm)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Jul 04, 2009 5:57 pm)

but I honestly think that this (450h) is the vehicle that meets all your criteria.
 
I think I'm gonna have to say that you're biased. The RX450 has the fuel economy, the AWD (kind of) and the space, but that's it. Every review I've read has described it as the Blandtastic 4(50). 0-60 in less than 7? Nope. Nimble, IS style handling? Uh, no. The A4 Avant can blow through the cones at 70mph, and hold .86g on the skidpad. The RX450 trundles through at 58mph, and can hold .76g. I'm sure feedback, on-center feel, and proper weighting in cornering from the wheel is also el-zilcho.
 
It may be more exciting than the last one, but that's like saying that French Vanilla ice cream is more exciting than Vanilla icre cream.
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Re: That Argentinan Woman [dewey] by lexusguy
Jul 04, 2009 (8:04 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Jul 04, 2009 7:40 pm)

The Prius is more roomy for three people behind than a Audi A4 Avant. The hump in the rear of the Audi is overbearing for any third person who is not smaller than Jiminy Cricket.
 
In terms of economy and practicality, the Prius is off the charts. No argument from me there. Unlike the Insight, it's not a clunky penalty box that gets the same or worse fuel economy than the Civic. It shows how far in the bag C&D is for Honda that they rated the Insight above the Prius. Even CR trashed it.
 
If your requirements extend beyond a super efficient box with wheels though, the Prius starts to come up short.
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Re: That Argentinan Woman [tagman] by dewey
Jul 04, 2009 (8:06 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 03, 2009 9:53 pm)

I think you have a strong dislike for the senselessness of many vehicles.
 
Yes the MB300D is a good example to illustrate the senseless of progress in the auto industry.
 
Mercedes Benz realized that they would go bankrupt if they continued producing cars like my 83 MB 300D which just keep on going and going and going..... The MB 300D is gaining cult status because there is no other model whose vehicles accomplish such high mileage in the history of the auto industry.
 
In order to achieve "going concern status" MB had no choice but to make their cars less reliable with less longetivity and they had accomplished this with expensive technologies that makes maintenace for the long term uneconomic. I know a client who drove a long time ago a MB CL and he paid a fortune to replace a vacuum pump for his door ( I believe it was 6K $ but not certain since the performanc of my long term memory is not as good as the long term performance of my MB300D).
 
This whole notion that a luxury car has to be expensive to maintain is entrenched in our thinking (even reliable Lexuses are expensive to maintain). The old Benzes contradicted this whole notion and would make leasing a reliable Benz car quite senseless in term of saving after-warranty expenses.

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