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Re: Electric (Light but not Cheap) Luxury Orchestra [jlbl] by tagman
Jul 04, 2009 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Jul 04, 2009 9:39 am)

TM seem to have lost interest in owning a Hybrid by the time being.
 
  Jose, we already own a hybrid... I bought a Ford Escape Limited Hybrid many months ago... my daughter drives it primarily, although my wife and I have sneaked it our now and then. In addition, I have posted a substantial number of positive remarks about hybrids for quite some time now. I believe they represent the transition to all-electric vehicles. I would seriously consider one for my next car.
 
That said, I have also mentioned several times that diesel fuel is now priced well enough to re-consider the clean diesel alternatives that I was so excited about in the recent past.
 
I cannot predict when I will buy my next personal vehicle, however, as I am enjoying the 135i for the time being. It is still covered under years of warranty and included maintenance. By the time I am ready to get my next vehicle, I am certain there will be some very interesting choices out there... including hybrids, diesels, and EVs.
 
TM
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Re: Electric (Light but not Cheap) Luxury Orchestra [tagman] by jlbl
Jul 04, 2009 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 04, 2009 10:58 am)

Jose, we already own a hybrid...
 
Yup, though I know your opinion is in favour of hybrid technology, I forgot you own a hybrid car. I imagine your daughter is happy with that hybrid. Has she inherited your love for cars?
 
My apologies for my bad memory.
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: New car search begins [2001gs430] by lexusguy
Jul 04, 2009 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Jul 04, 2009 4:00 am)

AWD for winter usage, 0-60 mph in the 6-7 seconds range, avg FE around 25 mpg, carry large cargo, nimble machine
 
So a reasonably fast, fuel efficient car with performance oriented AWD that has some decent cargo space and good handling. Putting all of those things together into one car isn't easy.
 
The 25mpg requirement writes off the entire luxury CUV class. Even the best will only manage 20mpg, with most of them far below that. Only the RX450h qualifies, and as I'm sure you know, the RX doesn't know the meaning of the word "nimble". It also is driving only its front wheels 90% of the time.
 
In this case, I think you're best bet is to skip the SUVs and go for a wagon, more specifically the A4 Avant 2.0T. The maximum amount of cargo space is a little more than half of what's available in the Q5, but that's the sacrifice that's required to hit 25mpg. The 5 and A6 wagons have space more comparable to the SUVs, but they also drink fuel like the SUVs.
 
The A4 is a bit more spacious and fuel efficient than the 328i xDrive Sportwagon, and should satisfy every one of your requirements. The 2010 car I believe gets the latest version of MMI with Audi NAV "Plus", which is the most advanced factory NAV system in the business. Quattro is also the best in the business. If you get Audi Care scheduled maintenance is covered for the warranty period, but it's not as good as BMWs program because it doesn't cover "wear items" like pads and rotors. The price ranges from around $35-50.
 
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Re: Electric (Light but not Cheap) Luxury Orchestra [jlbl] by tagman
Jul 04, 2009 (3:25 pm)
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Replying to: jlbl (Jul 04, 2009 11:17 am)

I imagine your daughter is happy with that hybrid. Has she inherited your love for cars?
 
She is indeed very happy with it, but, to answer your question, no... she doesn't seem to have a genuine passion for cars... she has other things on her 16-yr.-old mind... I'm sure you can imagine.
 
My 9-yr.-old son, however, is already a car freak, just like me. Maybe even worse. I hope he becomes successful enough one day so that he can enjoy some of the good ones... whatever they may be when he is old enough to drive. Fast and electric is my guess, but who knows.
 
TM
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Re: New car search begins [lexusguy] by tagman
Jul 04, 2009 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 04, 2009 12:25 pm)

I must say, that's an excellent recommendation. I wouldn't have thought of it, but after reading your logic, it makes good sense, provided the cargo capacity is adequate... and if he is comfortable enough with the idea of owning a "wagon". Many folks aren't for one reason or another.
 
TM
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Re: New car search begins [2001gs430] by cyclone4
Jul 04, 2009 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Jul 04, 2009 4:00 am)

I bet that some folks here will say that I am biased since we just purchased the RX450h, but I honestly think that this (450h) is the vehicle that meets all your criteria. I can't wait to drive it when we get home Monday. In my short test drive, I also that it it handles very well (considerably improved over the RX400h) and it is SO much more comfortable. I think that once you give this car a test drive, you will love it.
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Re: New car search begins [tagman] by lexusguy
Jul 04, 2009 (6:02 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 04, 2009 3:30 pm)

and if he is comfortable enough with the idea of owning a "wagon". Many folks aren't for one reason or another.
 
Yeah after I thought about it for a minute, only the A4 or the 328i wagons fit. They actually have more space in back than I thought. For some reason the cargo space listing on New Car Test Drive is completely wrong. The Avant has 50 cubes with the seats down, not 34. That's actually not that far off from the compact utes, which have around 65-75. The 328 xDrive wagon has 48. The Volvo V50 wagon has the most space at 62, but the T5 AWD version is unlikely to average 25mpg. I also don't think it's nearly as nice as the Audi or BMW.
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Re: New car search begins [tagman] by theanimal
Jul 04, 2009 (6:25 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 04, 2009 3:30 pm)

I agree, it is a great recommendation. It show's just how out of my mind (and most other peoples) a wagon is, as I recommended the A4, but didn't even think of the avant version. I would love my wife to get an A6 Avant as her next car, but that will be up to her.
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Re: New car search begins [lexusguy] by circlew
Jul 04, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 04, 2009 12:25 pm)

What about the new Toyota Venza? Nice looker IMHO.
 

 
Regards,
OW
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Re: I agree [dhamilton] by dewey
Jul 04, 2009 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Jul 04, 2009 5:50 am)

with everyone about not being wasteful and such, but then I go to you tube and hear the Aston Martin DBS's 6.0 V12 roar, and it's kind of a "you had me at hello" thing.
 
How's this for non-wastefulness
 
Toyota iQ will have a Aston Martin version with its 3 cylinder 67 hp engine. So much for the future of wastefulness
 

 
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