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Re: Lexus and MB Marriage?? [circlew] by 2001gs430
Jul 04, 2009 (4:05 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 01, 2009 6:03 pm)

Make perfect sense, MB needs good small cars and Lexus wants to be noticed in Europe.
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Re: That Argentinan Woman [dewey] by 2001gs430
Jul 04, 2009 (4:08 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Jul 03, 2009 9:29 am)

Congrats, when are you taking delivery?
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Re: Greetings from Seattle! [cyclone4] by 2001gs430
Jul 04, 2009 (4:15 am)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Jul 02, 2009 3:47 pm)

Congrats, that mileage is amazing, my RX is stuck at around 18 mpg life time with all the driving/idling in Toronto traffic.
I will have to give it a try for myself.
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I agree by dhamilton
Jul 04, 2009 (5:50 am)
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with everyone about not being wasteful and such, but then I go to you tube and hear the Aston Martin DBS's 6.0 V12 roar, and it's kind of a "you had me at hello" thing.
 
Anyone here think anyone makes a better sounding 12 cylinder than AM? If so, the audiologist visit is on me!!!!
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Re: New car search begins [2001gs430] by theanimal
Jul 04, 2009 (7:16 am)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Jul 04, 2009 4:00 am)

2001gs430 (I like the handle, FYI I had a 98 GS400, great car), I do not own one, and have never driven it, but how about the Infiniti G35 or if you need a bit more room the EX350? Both can be had with AWD with a sport RWD bias. You might also want to look at the Audi A4, although that may ride a bit 'soft' for you.
 
Regarding large cargo, that is where you throw me off. The IS350 is a small car, and in my mind cannot really carry much of anything. That's why I mentioned the EX350.
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Re: That Argentinan Woman [lexusguy] by jlbl
Jul 04, 2009 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jul 02, 2009 6:59 am)

Now though, were on the cusp of a major shift in how cars are designed, as big as the change from the '60s to the '70s. This time though it will be a positive change. Instead of pathetic, dying muscle cars with emissions choked 7 litre V8s producing less than 200hp, we're going to see radically lightened cars made of aluminum and composite materials, with powerful engines using all of the variable timing, direct injection, and sequential turbo charging tricks.
  
The normally aspirated V8s, V10,s and V12s will give way to turbo and supercharged (or both as in some VWs) 4 and 6 cylinder engines, hopefully with HCCI technology sooner rather than later. Eventually the ICE will disappear completely, but before that happens, there's going to be some great cars.

 
I am in fully agreement to that. Looking forward also to new diesel developments.
 
Regards,
Jose
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Electric (Light but not Cheap) Luxury Orchestra by jlbl
Jul 04, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Welcome back, Dewey. I feel you have (re)started a new sub thread in this thread. . TM seem to have lost interest in owning a Hybrid by the time being.
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: Electric (Light but not Cheap) Luxury Orchestra [jlbl] by tagman
Jul 04, 2009 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Jul 04, 2009 9:39 am)

TM seem to have lost interest in owning a Hybrid by the time being.
 
  Jose, we already own a hybrid... I bought a Ford Escape Limited Hybrid many months ago... my daughter drives it primarily, although my wife and I have sneaked it our now and then. In addition, I have posted a substantial number of positive remarks about hybrids for quite some time now. I believe they represent the transition to all-electric vehicles. I would seriously consider one for my next car.
 
That said, I have also mentioned several times that diesel fuel is now priced well enough to re-consider the clean diesel alternatives that I was so excited about in the recent past.
 
I cannot predict when I will buy my next personal vehicle, however, as I am enjoying the 135i for the time being. It is still covered under years of warranty and included maintenance. By the time I am ready to get my next vehicle, I am certain there will be some very interesting choices out there... including hybrids, diesels, and EVs.
 
TM
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Re: Electric (Light but not Cheap) Luxury Orchestra [tagman] by jlbl
Jul 04, 2009 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jul 04, 2009 10:58 am)

Jose, we already own a hybrid...
 
Yup, though I know your opinion is in favour of hybrid technology, I forgot you own a hybrid car. I imagine your daughter is happy with that hybrid. Has she inherited your love for cars?
 
My apologies for my bad memory.
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: New car search begins [2001gs430] by lexusguy
Jul 04, 2009 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Jul 04, 2009 4:00 am)

AWD for winter usage, 0-60 mph in the 6-7 seconds range, avg FE around 25 mpg, carry large cargo, nimble machine
 
So a reasonably fast, fuel efficient car with performance oriented AWD that has some decent cargo space and good handling. Putting all of those things together into one car isn't easy.
 
The 25mpg requirement writes off the entire luxury CUV class. Even the best will only manage 20mpg, with most of them far below that. Only the RX450h qualifies, and as I'm sure you know, the RX doesn't know the meaning of the word "nimble". It also is driving only its front wheels 90% of the time.
 
In this case, I think you're best bet is to skip the SUVs and go for a wagon, more specifically the A4 Avant 2.0T. The maximum amount of cargo space is a little more than half of what's available in the Q5, but that's the sacrifice that's required to hit 25mpg. The 5 and A6 wagons have space more comparable to the SUVs, but they also drink fuel like the SUVs.
 
The A4 is a bit more spacious and fuel efficient than the 328i xDrive Sportwagon, and should satisfy every one of your requirements. The 2010 car I believe gets the latest version of MMI with Audi NAV "Plus", which is the most advanced factory NAV system in the business. Quattro is also the best in the business. If you get Audi Care scheduled maintenance is covered for the warranty period, but it's not as good as BMWs program because it doesn't cover "wear items" like pads and rotors. The price ranges from around $35-50.
 

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