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Replying to: tagman (Jun 30, 2009 4:59 am) Well, I ranked them first and foremost in order of what I think would be the smartest choice for somebody who wants to keep the car 8-9 years and for 100K miles. AWD really isn't even a factor in that equation. If somebody says to me: "I wan't to buy a full size luxury car, and I want to keep it for 10 years, what should I buy?" my answer is going to be Lexus LS every time. It's not my favorite car, or what I would buy, or anything like that. And I certainly recognize that the S8 kills it in just about everything - except long term durability. Over a typical 3 year or even an extended 6 year ownership period the rankings would be very different. When we're talking 10 years and 100K miles though, long term durability becomes very important. If I were going to buy an S8, it would be a two year old CPO, I'd keep it for four years, and then sell it. Partly because I wouldn't want to own one out of warranty, and partly because Audi has stuff coming up like the A7 and the D4 generation A8, and I'd be looking to trade up.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 30, 2009 5:33 am)  TM
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Replying to: tagman (Jun 30, 2009 5:45 am) Hahaha. The boring choice starts to look pretty attractive when the S8 turns into Dewey's 335i a year out of warranty. That's the risk, and why I think the best route is to let the S8 lose $30K of value before buying it, drive it for 3-4 years, and repeat the process. That way you still get to have a fun car, minimize the risk, and get a car with reasonably fresh shocks, weather seals, etc. Also, super pricey items like the $6K B&O stereo are essentially worthless in the CPO cars, which is definitely a nice bonus.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 30, 2009 3:55 am) June 3 (Bloomberg) -- Bayerische Motoren Werke AG’s U.S. chief said its BMW brand, leading Toyota Motor Corp.’s Lexus in U.S. sales through May, has a “good opportunity” to unseat the Japanese automaker as the top seller of luxury autos. “It is a good opportunity for us to obtain No. 1 this year,” Jim O’Donnell, president of BMW of North America LLC, said in a Bloomberg Television interview today. “I think there is a good possibility that we will do that.” Lexus has held the top spot in annual U.S. luxury sales since 2000. A loss of that ranking would be another blow for Toyota City, Japan-based Toyota, which posted its first full- year loss in 59 years for the period that ended in March. Full article: Luxury Lead Regardless of the perceptions, BMW seems to have a better formula. Lexus is tops on quality but not even close with performance. Lexus is following close to Buick and better make some changes....FAST.  Toyota is a hurting corp. at this time. Hyundai has the best marketing campaign of any car firm out there. Now they want to lock in customers at $2.49/gallon of gas guaranteed as they bet the price will rise to $3.00/gal. in the U.S. Pretty savvy stuff on top of the assurance program. They are leading and others merely following. BMW at least gives free maintenance before you have to dump the cars! Lexus would do well to follow that immediately. Regards, OW
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 30, 2009 6:29 am) Well, LG, then THAT sounds like a MUCH better recommendation than the LS. 100,000 miles in superb increments. BTW, AT&T cell coverage absolutely sucks here in Malibu. Going to the Sprint store today or tomorrow.  Might have to settle for the Pre. Don't know what else to do. TM
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 30, 2009 6:38 am) Their entire lineup is uninteresting, and many of their cars are not as reliable as they used to be. Lexus is getting squeezed on all sides. The Germans have made massive improvements to their overall quality in the last few years, Infiniti can match them on reliability with cars that are actually fun to drive, and they've been embarrassingly slow to enter many segments. |
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Replying to: tagman (Jun 30, 2009 6:46 am) Doh. Since my E90 is unlocked and I'm long out of contract, I could hop on to T-mobile tomorrow if I wanted to. Going to Sprint or Verizon though would unfortunately mean a new phone. It could be worse though. I think the Pre will eventually shape up to be a decent platform. A beta version of the SDK was just released, so applications should start showing up in earnest by the end of the year. Verizon's got nothing. I think the Storm is awful, and besides that there's an upcoming Bold clone and some mediocre WM phones. |
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Replying to: dewey (Jun 29, 2009 10:41 am) Wow, I envy you a lot. I actually ended up renting a car on this vacation to avoid having to pilot my mother-in-law's Prius for the week we are here. She loves the car and its been pretty much dead nuts reliable. My life would be so much less complicate if I was just willing to succumb to the slushbox transportation pod mentality (which would probably also better align with my budget) but I can't do it. I think its great that others can! |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jun 30, 2009 4:13 pm) Nice turn of phrase. However, the concept of the car as an appliance seems to work nearly every time it's tried. Zero input of any kind -- oil checking (who needs a stinkin' dipstick?) & gear shifting (who cares what gear I'm in?), plus tire pressure monitoring & no spare. We're a dying breed, 'boy. |
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Before everyone nods their head that the worst thing in the world is to own a lux car out of warranty, lets catch our breath. The absolute biggest expense in car ownership is depreciation. Owning a Lux car for a year or two out of warranty may not be that big a risk, considering the depreciation you are saving. Or, If you buy it used you begin ahead of the game. Moreover, not only do people who trade every three years pay heavily in depreciation, they forget to consider sales tax. The case saved on depreciation and minimizing sales tax can take the sting out of maintenance bills. Finally, over a vehicle's service lifetime its position in the duty roster changes. As a couple's third car it may see only weekend use. Or it goes to the beach house for 6 months a year. Just a thought.
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